Help me prove this guy guilty (not real case)

[anabolicrombie]

Okay, so in my government class right now I was assigned the part of the pathologist. I have to improvise with my findings for ways to convict the suspect guilty. The body of the gurls was never found, she was just reported missing and after an investigation it seems as if there was a murder in her apartment. Hopefully anyone with any knowlegde with this can help me out or any religious CSI watchers, lol.

So here is what i have to go by:
a) blood samples were in great quantities, carpet could be said to be painted in blood.
b) Blood was found on wallpaper of two walls in apartment, found same type of blood elsewhere in apartment after analyzed.
c) Blood was found in basement, under apartment of victim, blood seeped through the floor.
d) Blood of same type was found on the head and handle of a hammer found elsewhere in the apartment.
e) Blood stains found on two towels from laundry room, same type of blood.
f) All samples were of type A negative. Same type of victim.

I have to come up with ways, findings, to make him look guilty, anyone have any ideas, opinions? thanks!

 

[showtime2004]

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking...but I'll be happy to play if you want. I actually just did a presentation on bloodstain pattern analysis if you want to see it I can email it to you.

I'd need to know things like:
who is "him"?
why is he a suspect?
any corroborating evidence that you have.

 

[Spartacus]

you need some of the same blood on a suspect
or in a suspect's car/domicile etc.

 

[anabolicrombie]

Thanks for offering to help. The guys name is "Mike Mean", I am "Dr. Blood", the victim is "Candy Kane" really lame names, lol. The only reason Mike Mean is there is because after the investigation they came up with him i guess. I was only given the info above. But i can use it in anyway i can to convict him guilty as long as i stick to the facts that i was given (posted above). There is no real evidence that he is guilty, we just have to improvise with our facts to prove that he is.

 

[EnderJE]

There is no real evidence that he is guilty, we just have to improvise with our facts to prove that he is.

You should hire the prosecutors from the OJ trial.

 

[anabolicrombie]

You should hire the prosecutors from the OJ trial.

lol, im afraid Johnny died.

 

[EnderJE]

lol, im afraid Johnny died.

Of "natural" causes...

 

[Spartacus]

can they analyze the blood and come up with an estimated time of death?
I believe this si possible,but the window may be too wide
thus giving Mike a stronger chance of establishing an alibi

 

[showtime2004]

You should hire the prosecutors from the OJ trial.

hahaha...no shit

 

[anabolicrombie]

can they analyze the blood and come up with an estimated time of death?
I believe this si possible,but the window may be too wide
thus giving Mike a stronger chance of establishing an alibi

I guess i could try and find a way, since a pathologist is usually the one to establish the time of death, but we want to make him guilty, so what do u mean by the window too wide?

 

[EnderJE]

The part I don't get is why are you trying to make him guilty? Aren't you supposed to analyze the clues and see if he's guilty or not?

 

[Spartacus]

I guess i could try and find a way, since a pathologist is usually the one to establish the time of death, but we want to make him guilty, so what do u mean by the window too wide?

as in they could only narrow it down to a peroid of say 8 hours
as a mortician I can tell you that if they have a body they will use body temperature to est. time of death
of course that's if they get the body relatively soon
the dead body will eventually cool to room temperature and/or the temp outside
but with just blood they are going to have to make a much wider guesstimate

 

[lilsuperman]

no prints on the towel or hammer? how did he get in the house? window door how did he exit the house? was he wearing gloves ask these questions... if so looks like ur fucked but every1 knows how much hair do you lose? ALOT... so many little questions your forgetting to ask... if this helps great if not call me a dumbass lol PEACE

 

[anabolicrombie]

The part I don't get is why are you trying to make him guilty? Aren't you supposed to analyze the clues and see if he's guilty or not?

Well I am on the prosecution side, so its my objective to prove him guilty. thanks for all the help guys, really appreciate it.

 

[JayC9]

there's not enough detail to piece together an argument for the prosecution but if it's government class then forget all about the blood and do it by the governments tried and tested method

attack the character, discredit, assume guilty, twist words, blatently lie, pay off witnesses, doctor the evidence and turn the media

 

[showtime2004]

did you get that powerpoint file i sent you?

 

[anabolicrombie]

did you get that powerpoint file i sent you?

Yes i got it, thanks!

 

[anabolicrombie]

there's not enough detail to piece together an argument for the prosecution but if it's government class then forget all about the blood and do it by the governments tried and tested method

attack the character, discredit, assume guilty, twist words, blatently lie, pay off witnesses, doctor the evidence and turn the media

I have to stick with the whole blood thing, that is my part, i am only the pathologist, not the lawyer.

 

[sorerotators]

You have no chance of conviction unless DNA is matched to the suspect from any of the blood samples. Or fingerprints are found on the hammer.

 

[sorerotators]

ok so your job is to tell what info you can get from the blood.

A) blood samples were in great quantities, carpet could be said to be painted in blood.

there was a violent struggle. someone has probably died as a result judging from the amount of blood.

B)Blood was found on wallpaper of two walls in apartment, found same type of blood elsewhere in apartment after analyzed.

blood spatter on walls usually means some type of impact injury/injurys. tragectory of blood can give a estimate on height. and can show if murderer was right or left handed.

C)Blood was found in basement, under apartment of victim, blood seeped through the floor.

well, as someone said you might get a timeframe of death. blood seeping through the floor will give you a better timeframe than just blood spattered on the floor or walls. as it will take longer to dry giving a better estimated time of death. again judging from amount of bloodloss, victim has probably died.

D)Blood of same type was found on the head and handle of a hammer found elsewhere in the apartment.

probably the murder weapon. friends or family might identify it. probably belongs to the victim or possibly the murderer.

E)Blood stains found on two towels from laundry room, same type of blood.

murderer took time to clean up. either hisself or the murder scene.

F)All samples were of type A negative. Same type of victim.

Type A Negetive is pretty uncommon. About 6 out of a 100 have it i believe.
Highly likely it all belongs to victim. Again judging from amount of bloodloss, victim probably died.

Hope this helps a little. Ya i'm bored, hehe.

 

[Rex]

Well I am on the prosecution side, so its my objective to prove him guilty. thanks for all the help guys, really appreciate it.

Why the prosecution's side? Why not the side of the TRUTH?

 

[anabolicrombie]

ok so your job is to tell what info you can get from the blood.

A) blood samples were in great quantities, carpet could be said to be painted in blood.

there was a violent struggle. someone has probably died as a result judging from the amount of blood.

B)Blood was found on wallpaper of two walls in apartment, found same type of blood elsewhere in apartment after analyzed.

blood spatter on walls usually means some type of impact injury/injurys. tragectory of blood can give a estimate on height. and can show if murderer was right or left handed.

C)Blood was found in basement, under apartment of victim, blood seeped through the floor.

well, as someone said you might get a timeframe of death. blood seeping through the floor will give you a better timeframe than just blood spattered on the floor or walls. as it will take longer to dry giving a better estimated time of death. again judging from amount of bloodloss, victim has probably died.

D)Blood of same type was found on the head and handle of a hammer found elsewhere in the apartment.

probably the murder weapon. friends or family might identify it. probably belongs to the victim or possibly the murderer.

E)Blood stains found on two towels from laundry room, same type of blood.

murderer took time to clean up. either hisself or the murder scene.

F)All samples were of type A negative. Same type of victim.

Type A Negetive is pretty uncommon. About 6 out of a 100 have it i believe.
Highly likely it all belongs to victim. Again judging from amount of bloodloss, victim probably died.

Hope this helps a little. Ya i'm bored, hehe.

Thanks a lot bro, that helped me a lot, i am thinking the same thing about the trajectory, so i can say the spatter on the wall was from an overhead swing, thus meaning the murderer had to be taller. Would that work?

 

[anabolicrombie]

Why the prosecution's side? Why not the side of the TRUTH?

Its was just the part i was assigned, lol, i had no choice, it would be so much easier to prove him not guilty though.

 

[theoak01]

Okay, so in my government class right now I was assigned the part of the pathologist. I have to improvise with my findings for ways to convict the suspect guilty. The body of the gurls was never found, she was just reported missing and after an investigation it seems as if there was a murder in her apartment. Hopefully anyone with any knowlegde with this can help me out or any religious CSI watchers, lol.

So here is what i have to go by:
a) blood samples were in great quantities, carpet could be said to be painted in blood.
b) Blood was found on wallpaper of two walls in apartment, found same type of blood elsewhere in apartment after analyzed.
c) Blood was found in basement, under apartment of victim, blood seeped through the floor.
d) Blood of same type was found on the head and handle of a hammer found elsewhere in the apartment.
e) Blood stains found on two towels from laundry room, same type of blood.
f) All samples were of type A negative. Same type of victim.

I have to come up with ways, findings, to make him look guilty, anyone have any ideas, opinions? thanks!

look at the direction of blood spatter,that will gauge where everyone was in the room,the level the incident took place and where the killer was etc.

foot prints which should be apparent if there is massive amounts of blood,confiscate his shoes, finger prints from him and the weapon.

in your report also dont call it blood,refer to it as a redish brown substance possibly blood,only the lab can define the substance.

sorerotators seemed to cover the most of it.

good luck man I did a project like this for a evidence and investigation class for a final,so pm me if ya need any more help

 

[theoak01]

one more thing,on the towels,look for any dna of the suspect,ie hair folicles,anything

 

[anabolicrombie]

look at the direction of blood spatter,that will gauge where everyone was in the room,the level the incident took place and where the killer was etc.

foot prints which should be apparent if there is massive amounts of blood,confiscate his shoes, finger prints from him and the weapon.

in your report also dont call it blood,refer to it as a redish brown substance possibly blood,only the lab can define the substance.

sorerotators seemed to cover the most of it.

good luck man I did a project like this for a evidence and investigation class for a final,so pm me if ya need any more help

For the part of the blood spatter, I can really just make it up as to how it looks, i can do anything i want as long as I stick to the facts. Oh, and i do all my work in the lab, so i guess its ok to call it blood?

 

[theoak01]

yup you can call it blood then,we did this type of project from the detectives point of view thats why we were different.

good luck bro,and like I said I will offer any more advice if you get stuck,I have a text with this stuff in it

 

[anabolicrombie]

Also, do have any idea as to how knowing the time of death would help? Or should it not matter since they havent found the body?

 

[Spartacus]

you have to tie the blood to the suspect
there could be her type A- blood splattered at the local Winn Dixie
but you have to attach and/or place it on a suspect

 

[theoak01]

you have to tie the blood to the suspect
there could be her type A- blood splattered at the local Winn Dixie
but you have to attach and/or place it on a suspect

hence foot prints in the blood on the floor and by getting a warrant to seize his shoes that match if this is the case would help

 

[Rex]

Also, do have any idea as to how knowing the time of death would help? Or should it not matter since they havent found the body?

So they can figure out where the guy was at the time, check his aliby, etc. Isn't it hard to press charges for a murder when a body was never found?

 

[anabolicrombie]

So they can figure out where the guy was at the time, check his aliby, etc. Isn't it hard to press charges for a murder when a body was never found?

Yes, extremely hard, thats why the prosecution has the toughest job, but we can earn the most points if our story is good.

 

[wootoom]

anaboliccrombie that name rocks

 

[anabolicrombie]

anaboliccrombie that name rocks

Thanks, lol

 

[sorerotators]

Yes, extremely hard, thats why the prosecution has the toughest job, but we can earn the most points if our story is good.

yes very hard. thats why i was hitting home at the amount of blood. all belonging to the victim means she is highly likely to have died. this can be proven with out a doudt through DNA.

can you say you found brain matter or something of that type among the spatter?

 

[sorerotators]

Thanks a lot bro, that helped me a lot, i am thinking the same thing about the trajectory, so i can say the spatter on the wall was from an overhead swing, thus meaning the murderer had to be taller. Would that work?

ya that can work. you could actually say the female victim was unusually tall. say a 6 footer. so the attacker would of had to been very tall. hey what do you know your suspect is 6'7. hehe