help me gain

[Sleepy]

Hey I have never done any AS before. I am looking to gain 5-15lbs. of lean mas that I can keep. I am 24 and have been training for 3 yrs. I have been spending time reading many different posts and info on juice. However, I can not find any info on short cycles 6-8weeks max. I know this is a short period but I am not looking for big gains. I want gains that will be permanent, and I want minimum side effects. I know I sound picky but I am not wanting to get gigantic, but rather just add a couple of good quick lbs, also I would like to stay lean and hard like i am now. i am fine with injecting. please someone give me some help. In a nut shell:
5-15lbs in 6-8weeks max
Never used before
Minimum side effects
Needles okay

 

[YoungBlood]

what r your stats ??

 

[CONTRACTION]

Hmmm...you should do a winny/primo cycle.

Winny @ 50mg ED for Weeks 1-6 and Primo @ 300-400mg/wk for Weeks 1-8. Make sure to have some clomid for after the cycle. With winny and primo you should have no serious sides at all.

 

[Sleepy]

I am 24 and 5'6 at 163 and 8-10%BF. Looking to get to 170-175. no bigger than 180. Should a person with the same experience and no AS use, but bigger, 6'0" 200lbs, use the same dosages as someone my size? I never seem to find an answer for this one. To me, it would seem that the if the same results were desired then more would be needed for the heavier individual.
Primo/Winny---- will I experience much joint pain, I know winny causes it but will primo help reduce it?

 

[MaxBiceps]

I think you should do more research on what kind of anabolics you want to take.
Find out what's available, what kind you want, etc, and work from there.

 

[Sleepy]

I have done quite a bit of research but can't find any suggestions for short cycles, especially b/c I am not looking for huge gains like most. Couple of cycles I have thought about Deca+winny, anavar+primo or winny, Primo alone. I can get all of these. Looking to stay away from test due to fear of side effects, but not closed to suggestions.

 

[mranderson]

test cyp 400mg per week for 8 weeks
throw in 300 eq for 8 weeks
lift hard and keep a good cardio program going
to keep water done,
Nolvedex, Clomid you do know about these drugs
right if not read some more and wait about a year.
im sure you can manage 15lbs out of that with the right diet.

Realy what you should do is research more alot more
and study other cycles for cutting and bulking see what has worked with others, come up with a cycle that is custom made for you and your goals keep it simple
then come back post your cycle, and get help with trying to make it better. Realy man no one can realy just say hey do this and youll gain this much wait and loose this much fat, realy bro become more knowledgeable about what your putting into your body before you jump in with both feet.

In no way em I trying to flame you or anything like that
just trying to get the point across that if you dont know enough to put together a basic beginner cycle, you should hold off a little while and become more familiar with your options so many times i see dude just fuck them selves up realy bad on juice cause they didnt no what they were doing. and seriously you should be able to hit hit 180 solid in 4 months with a good diet and training without juice. I say wait 1 year learn as much as you can put cycles on paper and play with it a while post them get advice and save for some quality gear. By then youll be ready to move on in a positive direction bro.

 

[Sleepy]

thanks for the suggestions. i considered a cycle in sept but someone told me to do some more research so i have been since then. over that period i have only managed to gain 8lbs. i have a clean diet(200grams protien, 40grams fat) but geneticly i am restricted. at 5'6" 163 i am bigger than both of my parents. i am really trying to find some real world experience from some people b/c i can read tons of info but nothing beats the actual experience. I hope to find some advice from someone who has a similiar build as i do and see whagt they did. i know this being that i have a degree in molecular biology, what might work on paper does not always work in reality. well here is one that i am considering, even though i am trying to stay clear sust.
300mg primo weeks 1-3
400mg primo weeks 4-6
300mg primo weeks 7-8
250mg sustanon weeks 3-6

Would this yield any results? If so what? Any sides? When should I start clomid? or is this a waste of my money?

 

[CONTRACTION]

Just do the primo at 300 or 400mg weeks 1-8, you dont need to pyramid it. Sust for only 3 weeks @250mg/wk wont do shit for you.

 

[Sleepy]

thanks for the reply,

how about 300mg primo weeks 1-8 with
10mg anavar ED weeks 1-6 (due to price)
or 50mg winny EOD(drinking)


if i were to do this, is there even a need for clomid, since my natural production should be specifically affected?

 

[CONTRACTION]

Hmmm...you should do a winny/primo cycle.

Winny @ 50mg ED for Weeks 1-6 and Primo @ 300-400mg/wk for Weeks 1-8. Make sure to have some clomid for after the cycle. With winny and primo you should have no serious sides at all.

 

[Sleepy]

sorry,

the winny would only be for 6 weeks.
Contraction, i know this is pretty similiar to your first suggestion, except the wiiny is reduced to EOD. I read that winstrol can have serious effects on cholesterol levels and would like to keep it to a minimum. Hence EOD, but i wonder if that would even make a real difference.

 

[Sleepy]

Contraction,
thanks for your help. i think i am going to go with the primo and winny(maybe anavar). should i expect significant joint pain from winny?

 

[Sleepy]

are my gains realistic with this cycle? my diet is good. also anyone have problems with joint pain from similiar cycle.....i have a bad elbow.

 

[Eclipse]

Aye Bro......lol...me and you have Exactly the same stats....right down to the same body fat FREAKY. Right now I'm using Anavar....read up on it bro. Do a search an Anavar on this board....an read.

 

[Sleepy]

Eclipse...how have your results been from anavar(alone or with others?) and at what dosage are you using/day?

 

[Digital Ronin]

sleepy, if you're going to do the winny do 50mg/ed. With only a 6 wk cycle, you're going to be fine. Just drink a ton of water... I'm currently finishing up wk 6 of a 10 wk cycle and I've been doing 50mg of winny/ed.

 

[Sleepy]

Ronin.......thanks alot I have really been worried about having more joint pains than I already do

 

[gurupimp6969]

Hey sleepy bro, I have been doin winny for about 4 days now and I have a little joint pain and I am doing 50mg ed with primo 200mg a week. Good luck with your cycle let us know how its going.

 

[Digital Ronin]

Ronin.......thanks alot I have really been worried about having more joint pains than I already do

Sh*t! Go ed and if it gets unbearable, then switch to eod... ust my $0.02. Otherwise, throw some Deca in the cycle... Say, 400mg/wk.