help, first "oral-only" cycle

[soflaguy]

This is first time using AS, and I just want to take orals for now. I am 5'10,180,14%bf and looking to add 5-10lbs and get down to 12% over the next 4-6 weeks. I eat very clean, workout 6x/week and do lots of cardio. Can someone intelligently recommend how to use the following(dosage per day, length on each, etc.):


AS (purchased direct from TTokkyo distributor):
TT Stanol V(Stanozolol) - 200 x 10mg
TT Methandienone(Dbol) - 200 x 10mg
TT Oxandrolone(Anavar) - 200 x 5mg

Pro-hormone:
1AD - 120 x 100mg

Other supps:
Spiropent Clen: 100 x 20mcg
ALA: 1000 x 100
And of course I have creatine, Glutamine peptides,vitamins etc.

 

[Bill W]

This is NOT an ideal cycle, but here goes:

30 mg dbol, days 1-30
40 mg anavar, days 30-50
40 mg winny, 1-50

I don't love this cycle, but try it out if you want. You should have an anti-estrogen on hand.

 

[el cubano]

steroids and prohormones? What?

 

[double d]

Learn to get over your aversion to needles, they are your friend!

 

[soflaguy]

Okay, I should clarify myself and say that based on what I have listed what would be the best to take...not that I want to take all at the same time. I do not even know why I included the pro-hormone shit, I shouldn't have known better not to even include it here.

Maybe OX,ALA, and creatine will meet my goals or maybe just DBol. I am not going to use it all, just because I have it.

Like I had stated, I am looking for intelligent advice based on what I want to achieve.

And I really hate needles...I cannot even give blood. That is why I opted for the orals.

 

[genarr3]

This is NOT an ideal cycle, but here goes:

30 mg dbol, days 1-30
40 mg anavar, days 30-50
40 mg winny, 1-50

I don't love this cycle, but try it out if you want. You should have an anti-estrogen on hand.

This looks good right here. If you don't want to do them all at the same time pick one or two and run the doses Mr W posted. As far as your bodyfat goes, that will depend on your diet and training habits.

 

[ultragainz]

i would end with the anavar...creatine with anavar...d-bol first then winny then anavar....you can take a week off between each roid...take liver protectors...also run to www.anabolicfitness.net and buy there liver protector at the AF store..drink 1-2 gallons of water a day...cranberry extract is good too around 1000-2000mgs/day...ALA at 600-1000mgs/day www.kilosports.com has them for a good price...clomid after cycle

 

[anabolicann]

ok first i would do more research on oral steroids but based on what you have asked i would suggest D-bol start at 20mgs a day for the first two weeks split up your dosage.
morning afternoon night
1wk 5mg 5mg 10mg
2wk "" "" ""
3wk "" "" ""
4wk "" "" ""
See how your body responds if your only looking for 10lbs or so this should work for you if you dont hit that by 4th week then up the does by 5mg per week until week 6 i would also look into ALA i read on this board it works as a liver blocker and will cut your body fat aswell and look in to some clomid for post cycle therapy..
hope this helps...report back with results and cycle you choose....always good for the newbies to see this kind of info.... good luck peace

 

[anabolicann]

i would end with the anavar...creatine with anavar...d-bol first then winny then anavar....you can take a week off between each roid...take liver protectors...also run to www.anabolicfitness.net and buy there liver protector at the AF store..drink 1-2 gallons of water a day...cranberry extract is good too around 1000-2000mgs/day...ALA at 600-1000mgs/day www.kilosports.com has them for a good price...clomid after cycle

hey bro this looks good..................ULTRAGAINZ....has good info id listen if i where you..

 

[Twitched]

Can I have your liver after that cycle for research purposes?

I know as soon as I saw his thread title we were in for a treat.


Normally I would say "I don't recommend it, but if you MUST run it, do it this way..."..

But I simply cant do it in this case.. there is nothing there to build a cycle with..


If you wanna do it, then do anavar only. 40mg/ed 8 wks.

 

[doubles1]

needles aint that bad...my first time iw as sweatin like a fuckin ox...i made it thru now they're fun!

but seriously...learn some more about the injectables...this cycles gonna be hard on ya...

 

[Twitched]

I can't believe you guys are actually giving him advice. If he isn't willing to stick it, he most likely doesn't have a good diet or workout routine.

You're right sk*.. thing is if he isn't dedicated.. I would rather him simply just waste money on a cycle of anavar only then to take his concoction despite our warnings and end up with bitch tits and his liver in the toilet..

A lot of times when people buy things, they are wanting to TAKE them regardless of what people say..

I'm just trying to put out the fire

 

[soflaguy]

Based on the advice of BillW,genarr3,ultragainz, and anabolicann I will do the following:

Dbol ONLY for 6 weeks. Better safe, than sorry.

Weeks 1-4: 20mg in 4/5mg divided doses
Weeks 5-6: 25mg in 5/5mg

I will include 1000mg of ALA, which I already had from Kilo. I'll add the Liver Detox from AF and do the Clomid after the cycle.

For those of who offered value-added responses, should I get some Arimidex or is the dose low enough not to worry about it?

BTW, just because I am reluctant to stick the needle does not mean I am "not dedicated". I don't want to get into flaming, but my diet and work ethic are very good. The reason for the higher bf% right now is because of my office desk job.
I will keep a journal of weight,strength of before/after doing this and post later.

I figure the other stuff I can do in the future, once I am completely "educated" on injectables and bio-chem.

 

[anabolicann]

Based on the advice of BillW,genarr3,ultragainz, and anabolicann I will do the following:

Dbol ONLY for 6 weeks. Better safe, than sorry.

Weeks 1-4: 20mg in 4/5mg divided doses
Weeks 5-6: 25mg in 5/5mg

I will include 1000mg of ALA, which I already had from Kilo. I'll add the Liver Detox from AF and do the Clomid after the cycle.

For those of who offered value-added responses, should I get some Arimidex or is the dose low enough not to worry about it?

BTW, just because I am reluctant to stick the needle does not mean I am "not dedicated". I don't want to get into flaming, but my diet and work ethic are very good. The reason for the higher bf% right now is because of my office desk job.
I will keep a journal of weight,strength of before/after doing this and post later.

I figure the other stuff I can do in the future, once I am completely "educated" on injectables and bio-chem.

Sounds GOOD keep us posted and by the way nice score on the tt contact give me an email some time paece..

 

[genarr3]

Based on the advice of BillW,genarr3,ultragainz, and anabolicann I will do the following:

Dbol ONLY for 6 weeks. Better safe, than sorry.

Weeks 1-4: 20mg in 4/5mg divided doses
Weeks 5-6: 25mg in 5/5mg

I will include 1000mg of ALA, which I already had from Kilo. I'll add the Liver Detox from AF and do the Clomid after the cycle.

For those of who offered value-added responses, should I get some Arimidex or is the dose low enough not to worry about it?

BTW, just because I am reluctant to stick the needle does not mean I am "not dedicated". I don't want to get into flaming, but my diet and work ethic are very good. The reason for the higher bf% right now is because of my office desk job.
I will keep a journal of weight,strength of before/after doing this and post later.

I figure the other stuff I can do in the future, once I am completely "educated" on injectables and bio-chem.

I would certainly suggest Arimidex/Liquidex. It will benefit you two-fold, It will keep you from getting bloated from water retenion, and protect you from estrogen conversion. Even at that low dose it is possible to have a problem.

 

[MaCPiMP1n]

Based on the advice of BillW,genarr3,ultragainz, and anabolicann I will do the following:

Dbol ONLY for 6 weeks. Better safe, than sorry.

Weeks 1-4: 20mg in 4/5mg divided doses
Weeks 5-6: 25mg in 5/5mg

I will include 1000mg of ALA, which I already had from Kilo. I'll add the Liver Detox from AF and do the Clomid after the cycle.

For those of who offered value-added responses, should I get some Arimidex or is the dose low enough not to worry about it?

I would opt for the Anavar instead. With clean diet you should shed some bf.
Good luck.

 

[Old Guy]

Some of these guys know a hell of a lot more than I do, but for the goals you stated I would ditch the D-bol and add clomid therapy post cycle.
I personally wouldn't use any oral except maybe Anavar if I could afford it.
Keep an eye on your liver values.

 

[solidspine]

Good evening

If it is ttokkyo d-bol, I think you can safely run it for 40 mg per day your first 4-5 weeks and run the anavar at the same time,

Then finish with winny and clen, you have good gear so you will get some serious results hopefully. Also as mentioned above you should run liquidex and clomid post cycle.


Heck I may try this cycle.







But I will add test, fina and eq,

 

[soflaguy]

Ah man, now I am confused. Dbol or Anavar, and yes they are both TT.
The liver toxicity worries me, and I have no idea what to expect since this is the first time. Is Anavar less toxic than DBol?
And yes, I did read the above "sticky" - "Newbies Cycle Galore" and will give it some serious thought.

Here is my diet. The cardio is 4x/week.

Morning Cardio: 20-30min;2 mile jog or 10mi bike

Meal 1 6am: 25g CFM Whey/40G Dextrose,MultiVitamin/Mineral

Meal 2 10am:
Plain Instant Oatmeal/w 1 tbsp Bran/25g Whey
A litte brown sugar and cinnamon
1 Whole Egg
1 Banana
1 Tbsp Omega Twin Flax Oil

Meal 3 Noon:
Grilled Chicken Breast or Steamed Salmon or Canned Tuna
Durum Wheat pasta with some marinara sauce or Sweet potato
1 cup Broccolli

Meal 4 2pm:
Myoplex shake

Meal 5 4pm: Preworkout-25g CFM Whey/40G Dextrose/5g Creatine/ECA stack

WORKOUT: 1 hour/1 BodyPart


Meal 6 6pm: Post workout-50g CFM Whey/8oz Gatorade/5g Creatine/10g Glut Peptides
300mg ALA

Meal 7 7pm:
Turkey or Chicken Breast Sandwich on Soy/Oat Bread w/L&T
1 cup Basamati Brown Rice w/Ginger/Cayenne or Baked Potato
1 cup Broccolli
1 Tbsp Omega Twin Flax Oil
300mg ALA

1-Hour Before Bed 10pm:
1 cup Skim Milk
1/2 cup Non-fat yogurt
MultiVitamin/Mineral
Calcium/Magnesium Supp

Snack during the day: 1 apple or some natural peanut butter on 1 slice bread(Soy/Oat)
Water Consumption 1-1.5 gal

 

[the nature boy]

that last meal, the one an hour before bed. I'd add some casianate or slow digesting protein to keep your muscles fed while you're asleep. just my .02

and bump that protein up to 50g whey after your cardio. I don't even know I'd do that much cardio on that cycle. See what everyone else says about that.

 

[Super Halo Man]

Halo/Drol cycle...

Dig deep.

 

[soflaguy]

After further research, I think I will do the 40mg of Anavar only. I have enough for 4 weeks(1000mg total).
Everything I read says it is the safest oral to use with minimal sides and even burns fat. This is exactly what I am looking for because I do not know what to expect, it being the first time. I currently have everything needed right now to get started including creatine, ALA, Tyler's liver detox.

But let me ask if it is true that TTokyo Ox contains D-Bol, and people have experienced increased estrogen levels? I was not planning on taking Clomid until I was finished.

 

[PHOENIX21]

stick a needle in your ass

 

[genarr3]

After further research, I think I will do the 40mg of Anavar only. I have enough for 4 weeks(1000mg total).
Everything I read says it is the safest oral to use with minimal sides and even burns fat. This is exactly what I am looking for because I do not know what to expect, it being the first time. I currently have everything needed right now to get started including creatine, ALA, Tyler's liver detox.

But let me ask if it is true that TTokyo Ox contains D-Bol, and people have experienced increased estrogen levels? I was not planning on taking Clomid until I was finished.

"is true that TTokyo Ox contains D-Bol, and people have experienced increased estrogen levels?" - This is internet bullshit

 

[Bar Room Hero]

This is NOT an ideal cycle, but here goes:

30 mg dbol, days 1-30
40 mg anavar, days 30-50
40 mg winny, 1-50

I don't love this cycle, but try it out if you want. You should have an anti-estrogen on hand.

That's a good one.