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Help! Did not get kiss on first date-outing!

timewilltell

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Man I feel like shit, not depressed..but rather dissapointed since things did not end up as I thought they were. What was I hoping? A kiss in the lips on my first date with this girl that I really like..here is how it all started..

I met her while walking down the mountain as she was standing outside with her family. She is a pretty conservative girl (or so I think) and she wanted to get to know me. We exchanged numbers and I accidentaly gave her a bad number. She gave me her number but I didnt even get in contact with her until a week and a half later since I left her number at the mountains. A friend of mine finally found her number and then it was time to call her.

I called her and she was in somewhat of a shock that I called her after all that time. I told her my reasons and she accepted it and we talked for about 2 hours on the phone on everything. We both laughed and dug the conversation very well. We planned for a ´meeting´ the following night and we met in front of a bookstore. From there we went to her mother´s resteraunt and chit chatted a bit, met her family, it was all good. Not much of a conversation other than basic flake talk.

We walked over towards this department store and we spent a few hours chatting about our dreams, what we like in people, etc. Out of all this time, she was smiling, laughing at whatever I said...maybe a bit of kino. From there we stopped to get some coffee and told her my intuitions about her...she enjoyed hearing it. TOld me that I was a funny, different, interesting guy. So far so good..I THINK.

But here is the thing. I REALLY liked her that I decided to get honest, maybe TOO honest. YOu see, I live in an apartment with a few other girls....friends if you will, but the thing is in the past I had sex with a few of them. In fact, later on, they introduced to me a depressed, not pretty girl where I went to her apartment..we talked, and she PAID me money for sex. Not much, but still money nevertheless. HONEST. I thought she was playing at me first but true. THe word around was that I was good in bed. Yes yes yes..this all true.

Alright, when I told her this..she looked stunned. She was surprised that I told her this. I told her that I wanted her to know everything about me before anything happens between us, assuming if it does. I told her that I REALLY liked her, that she was different than the other girls. I said having sex while not easy is not mission impossible with other girls...that I was looking for something real..than just another bar flake.

So why did I tell all this? Its because she is heading towards the mountains (where we met) and my big mouth dumb ass friend spread the news of my actions in the recent past. I dont want her heading towards the mountains and all of a sudden she finds out that this guy she met turns out to be a devil or something, might as well come clean now.

Alright, so she said that her feelings about me still havent changed regardless of what I said, just a surprise. We go head to McDonalds, and she orders a shit load of stuff. No problem, it still came out to about $5 for me. :) We were still joking around, still some very, VERY light kino as she slowly tapped her leg on my leg and she was facing in my direction with eyes wide open, still smiling, body language VERY GOOD.

We head towards the cab and it was time to drop her off. Right before the cab dropped her off, I said that I wanted to taste her lips and seal this night a good night. She said that things were going to fast (??????????? how is it fast for a good night kiss?? oh, maybe she was playing the whole night and just wanted to be friends??)

Thats the end of story. One of two things:
a) She didnt dig me as a boyfriend type, lover, whatever....perhaps placed too much expectations on me and I didnt deliver. She wants to be (gulp)..FRIENDS.
b) Due to the fact what I told her, she didnt want to seem like a slut or just anothe bar chick in my eyes so she wanted to show me that we are going to go slow for now.

If I had to answer a or b, I would say a. Just another chump. But hey, maybe there is some chance that b is in there thus why Im willing to write all of this bs out into the forums.

I am not a player. In fact, I havent had much experience in the past with girls is just that the past year Ive been put in a situation where I have had some access to meeting more girls, sex and all that. But I want something more..(or do I or am I just in some psychological trance that I need to snap out of?).

Here is my own devils advocate analysis below:
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First off, the girl dug me in the mountains. SHe was curious and wondering why I havent called her and why I did give her a bad number. After calling her, she accepted my reasons and we chit chatted for awhile. When we finally met, she dug me a bit but perhaps not in the same level as we first met. Dont know.

When we finally went to the department store...she still liked me, maybe not head over heels..but in a way like ´this guy is somewhat interesting..lets see how things go'

I blew the deal when I told her ´too much´ about my recent past. Also, she had the advantage when I confessed to her how much I liked her. So now she knows that the game is me chasing her and that im the eager one. Mistake on my part. Also, she didnt want to seem like some other bar girl, one night stand so when I told her about my history with my sex ventures (dumb, stupid of me but I had my stupid reasons..talk about a double negative), she was put off by that like im a dog and that even though I may seem honest in her eyes, she is now cautious with me. Thus when I asked for the kiss it was just in the cheek.

OR she doesnt like me at all other than just a friend. Which im very likely thinking right now, despite all of the good body language and converstation. Sigh...

Even though I feel like shit Ill suck it up and get over it...done it before and will move on.

So what do you all think?
 
Now I know my answer..I think. I actually a feel a little bit better even though I still feel like crap, but good crap if there is ever such a thing.

BEING A MAN:
During the whole time, she was in control of where to go, what time we should go, etc. It was her game that she was playing..and when I asked about her core values....she wanted someone that was a MAN. Not in terms of muscles obviously, but in terms of personality. Obviously, this means taking CONTROL which I fucked up on. And not control where I treat her like a dog..more like Im leading her to x, y and z.

-20 points for me.

PLACING WAY TOO MUCH IMPORTANCE ON HER:
Fucked up BIG TIME here, and once I told her that I really liked her...REALLY liked her then once again I fucked up. Its more interesting for her when Im being persued rather than her. All it does is give her a chance to play A GAME (gulp) thats predictable making it BORING overall.

- 20 points for me

APPEARANCE

I dressed up nicely, open button shirt (black) with jeans and dress shoes. Nothing fancy but well dressed. Hair good and was neatly groomed. Looked pretty good.

-0 points (yup, no plus points for me here since looks after a while especially in the mind of a girl is pointless if personality and all that is not met)

BASIC PERSONALITY

I was funny, interesting...got her to imagine things...she liked it when I told her about my intuition.....got her family to like me..bla bla bla.

PLUS 5 points

(I was funny, interesting all that...but as you can see its not enough to get me where I want to go. Still adds up, but did not take care off other things)

Alright, I think I learned some lessons here (or did I?) and she is heading up to the mountains again and will be back on Monday or so. SHe said she was going to call me when she gets back but I doubt it, she is probably expecting me to call her and still wants to PLAY THE GAME.

Next post will be what to do next. (perhaps the best thing to do is to let it go) And i know that no one cares but I need to get my feelings out.
 
Alright, this is ASSUMING she calls me which LIKELY wont happen.
It will be hard NOT to control my tendencies to call her, but I need to tranquilize my compulsions in every which way possible which I have no idea how that will work out. Nevertheless, Im still going to try.

So she calls me up and says lets go out again.
Now in her mind, she knows that she is being pursued big time and that she is the one being chased. Fair enough.
when she calls me, I will seem somewhat kind of uninterested but still up for game.

SHe will dictate of where we should go, what time, etc. I will change the plans and will offer another plan.
¨Actually, I was thinking we should go to this place. It seems like fun so lets give it a shot. Ill pick up you at 6¨

In our earlier date, she was telling me to say thank you, you are welcome..to be Mr. Manners. ANd sadly enough, I fell for it. This time I will not do that and say that Im sorry, I am who I am and you cannot change that. She may be put off and it may ruin everything, but in the long run it will work out for me. I need to be who I am, not her to mold me.

I am not sure how to approach a kiss or whatever this time around. With this girl especially, I dont have the balls to just plant a kiss when the timing is right thus why I asked in the first place. So Ill see what happens here, but if nothing happens then I ALREADY know the answer for sure (as if I didnt know in the first place...she just wants to be FRIENDS)

This will be the last chance for us to do anything, so whatever happens here is whatever happens. I will be a different person here but I will move on. There are more fish in the sea and even though she was special there will be others.

In the end, she will most likely NOT CALL but if she does then its game.
 
Wow, what the fuck?

You go out on a first date with a girl who you find to be conservative, and you end up telling her that you've had sex with some of the girls you lived with, plus you prosituted yourself out to another girl? LOL!!! Oink oink, my good man!

Man, I have no idea what could've wrong here. It sounded like you were golden.

Here's a bit of advice. Girls are intrigued by a guy who has a bit of mystery to them. You might as well have printed out your DNA code onto a few sheets of paper and handed it to her, along with having all your ex-girlfriends call her up to discusss your favorite sexual position. You went overboard with the conversation. I realize sometimes you can connect with someone very well and talk for hours, but you've still got to maintain some sort of boundaries on the topics of conversation, or you run the risk of scaring them off.

I did enjoy the hell out of your story though. Good luck with the next chick, homie.


I can spell real goodlike.
 
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YOu are right. And thanks for being blunt. I fucked up every which way possible that I can smell dick right under my seat which sucks.

And beforehand, I knew that girls were into a mysterious guy and that giving out all details to a girl is very stupid. It was just that I was afraid of her going back into town and hearing other people how I prostituted myself, had my past affairs..etc, thanks to my big mouth friend.

Again, you are right. WHat a surprise...I tell a conservative girl how I whored myself out and end up with dick in the end.

Thanks for the post.
 
Dude relax she is just another women plenty out there

dont be so damn forward,that type of stuff is what you tell someone you trust not a stranger,and if she had found out then you dont lie but why open a can of worms that arent needed
 
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