Help building a good 2nd cycle and PCT

[ajperretta]

I'm new here, but i used this and many other websites when I did my first cycle. I mostly trolled. My first cycle was OK, but it wasn't planned correctly, and I found that out about halfway through it. Here's my stats. I'm hoping I make a good 2nd cycle. FYI, the week after I quit my 1st cycle, I took a bad injury to my arm and tore my bicep pretty good. I wasn't able to work out at all during my pct. I feel like this made me lose more of my gains.

Stats: (i was 180 lbs before first cycle and have a great natural base)
Just turned 30, 185lbs, 5'8", 11%.
Bench: 260 7 times
Squat 315 12 times.

Like I said, first cycle was a learning experience. I was using 300g/ml test c.
I started out low and increased dosage.. I was nervous about side effects. My cycle looked like this.

weeks 1-3 test c 210mg.
week 5 test c 270 mg
week 6/7 test c 300 mg
weeks 8/9 test c 390 mg

Pct
weeks 10/11 Aromasin 25mg
weeks 11-13 Nolvadex 20 mg
weeks 12-14 Nolva 10 mg

I'm 3 weeks off my pct and I feel normal. I felt really tired and down about halfway through my pct.


I had a good amount of water retention, but never any gyno. I think on the next cycle i could benefit from using aromasin or something to combat the estrogen while in ON cycle. I got pretty swollen feeling from the water.

I've looked at all this stuff online until my head is spinning. I'm really just hoping some of you could show me what an ideal length cycle and PCT would be.

I want to add Equipoise to the next cycle, btw. Below is what I'm planning, but I'm not sure how to supplement it with the right anti estrogen during the cycle. I also want a better pct. Maybe throw in hcg or something. This is where I need help.

Next cycle:
week 1 -11 equipoise 400mg
Week 1 - 12 Test C 420 mg
PCT ----> Help please. I have nolvadex and aromasin already. Let me know what you think would be ideal. I'll buy whatever will keep me from feeling so dang tired and depressed. I want to keep the gains too.

Thank you so much.

 

[Ftsk]

I'm new here, but i used this and many other websites when I did my first cycle. I mostly trolled. My first cycle was OK, but it wasn't planned correctly, and I found that out about halfway through it. Here's my stats. I'm hoping I make a good 2nd cycle. FYI, the week after I quit my 1st cycle, I took a bad injury to my arm and tore my bicep pretty good. I wasn't able to work out at all during my pct. I feel like this made me lose more of my gains.

Stats: (i was 180 lbs before first cycle and have a great natural base)
Just turned 30, 185lbs, 5'8", 11%.
Bench: 260 7 times
Squat 315 12 times.

Like I said, first cycle was a learning experience. I was using 300g/ml test c.
I started out low and increased dosage.. I was nervous about side effects. My cycle looked like this.

weeks 1-3 test c 210mg.
week 5 test c 270 mg
week 6/7 test c 300 mg
weeks 8/9 test c 390 mg

Pct
weeks 10/11 Aromasin 25mg
weeks 11-13 Nolvadex 20 mg


I'm 3 weeks off my pct and I feel normal. I felt really tired and down about halfway through my pct.


I had a good amount of water retention, but never any gyno. I think on the next cycle i could benefit from using aromasin or something to combat the estrogen while in ON cycle. I got pretty swollen feeling from the water.

I've looked at all this stuff online until my head is spinning. I'm really just hoping some of you could show me what an ideal length cycle and PCT would be.

I want to add Equipoise to the next cycle, btw. Below is what I'm planning, but I'm not sure how to supplement it with the right anti estrogen during the cycle. I also want a better pct. Maybe throw in hcg or something. This is where I need help.

Next cycle:
week 1 -11 equipoise 400mg
Week 1 - 12 Test C 420 mg
PCT ----> Help please. I have nolvadex and aromasin already. Let me know what you think would be ideal. I'll buy whatever will keep me from feeling so dang tired and depressed. I want to keep the gains too.

Thank you so much.

Eq needs to be run atleast 16 weeks to make it worth while an run atleast 600mg a week (expensive shit but worth it). Nolva is shit and gives bad sides just throw it away.
Just go
test c 1-16- 250 2xper week mon,thurs
Eq 1-16- 300 2xper week mon, thurs
Hcgenerate 3-16
Aromasin 3-16

Pct
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Unleashed/post cycle
DAA

 

[Ftsk]

Btw most peeps will probly say not to run more than 25mg clomid but personally I feel 50mg to work better plus I don't get sides from clo

 

[ajperretta]

HcGenerate and Unleashed look sort of like GNC gimmicks. I'm not experienced enough to know either way... But, I've always read HCG is an injectable if you get the right stuff. 16 weeks seems long. Am I going to crash really bad or never go back to normal T levels? I want to eventually be back to normal t levels and not screw myself up long term. I dont foresee any more cycles.. I'm nearly as big as i want.

What are the side effects of nolvadex? I didn't seem to have any, unless the depression was in part from that. I've always heard that nolvadex is a standard pct drug, so I'm a little confused why you disagree.

 

[dylangemelli]

I'm new here, but i used this and many other websites when I did my first cycle. I mostly trolled. My first cycle was OK, but it wasn't planned correctly, and I found that out about halfway through it. Here's my stats. I'm hoping I make a good 2nd cycle. FYI, the week after I quit my 1st cycle, I took a bad injury to my arm and tore my bicep pretty good. I wasn't able to work out at all during my pct. I feel like this made me lose more of my gains.

Stats: (i was 180 lbs before first cycle and have a great natural base)
Just turned 30, 185lbs, 5'8", 11%.
Bench: 260 7 times
Squat 315 12 times.

Like I said, first cycle was a learning experience. I was using 300g/ml test c.
I started out low and increased dosage.. I was nervous about side effects. My cycle looked like this.

weeks 1-3 test c 210mg.
week 5 test c 270 mg
week 6/7 test c 300 mg
weeks 8/9 test c 390 mg

Pct
weeks 10/11 Aromasin 25mg
weeks 11-13 Nolvadex 20 mg


I'm 3 weeks off my pct and I feel normal. I felt really tired and down about halfway through my pct.


I had a good amount of water retention, but never any gyno. I think on the next cycle i could benefit from using aromasin or something to combat the estrogen while in ON cycle. I got pretty swollen feeling from the water.

I've looked at all this stuff online until my head is spinning. I'm really just hoping some of you could show me what an ideal length cycle and PCT would be.

I want to add Equipoise to the next cycle, btw. Below is what I'm planning, but I'm not sure how to supplement it with the right anti estrogen during the cycle. I also want a better pct. Maybe throw in hcg or something. This is where I need help.

Next cycle:
week 1 -11 equipoise 400mg
Week 1 - 12 Test C 420 mg
PCT ----> Help please. I have nolvadex and aromasin already. Let me know what you think would be ideal. I'll buy whatever will keep me from feeling so dang tired and depressed. I want to keep the gains too.

Thank you so much.

i have a feeling that you have not had any bloodwork done right? your pct was so terrible that there's probably a good chance you will have a long recovery... you need to take the time on your cycle, which it appears was 13 weeks and take that amount of time off before even considering another cycle... i would recommend doing a lot more research before you run another cycle because your going to end up hurting yourself otherwise... pct is the most important part of any cycle and yours was shit... so that needs to be fixed...

 

[semper03]

Nolva is outdated and trash.

Run this as pct and hope you recover good.

Leading up to pct
Hcg 500 iu/wk 250iu 2xwk

Pct
Forma stanzol 5am 5pm
Unleashed
Post cycle
Forged liver and joint
Daa power chews (never used this but Dylan says to use them so rec them)

 

[ajperretta]

"i have a feeling that you have not had any bloodwork done right? your PCT was so terrible that there's probably a good chance you will have a long recovery... you need to take the time on your cycle, which it appears was 13 weeks and take that amount of time off before even considering another cycle... i would recommend doing a lot more research before you run another cycle because your going to end up hurting yourself otherwise... PCT is the most important part of any cycle and yours was shit... so that needs to be fixed..."

You took the time to criticize, but it's not helpful until you give me an alternative. Let me know what you would do differently.

 

[dylangemelli]

"i have a feeling that you have not had any bloodwork done right? your PCT was so terrible that there's probably a good chance you will have a long recovery... you need to take the time on your cycle, which it appears was 13 weeks and take that amount of time off before even considering another cycle... i would recommend doing a lot more research before you run another cycle because your going to end up hurting yourself otherwise... PCT is the most important part of any cycle and yours was shit... so that needs to be fixed..."

You took the time to criticize, but it's not helpful until you give me an alternative. Let me know what you would do differently.

clomid
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol
daa powerchews or daa powder

you MUST run a sufficient pct bro or you will make recovery long and painful and then you will get that tired feeling you are having... it's so important to get your levels back to normal... i would get bloodwork done to see where your at and then post it so we can see what you need to do...

 

[ajperretta]

clomid
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol
daa powerchews or daa powder

you MUST run a sufficient pct bro or you will make recovery long and painful and then you will get that tired feeling you are having... it's so important to get your levels back to normal... i would get bloodwork done to see where your at and then post it so we can see what you need to do...

Hey, that helps. The strange thing is no one is recommending the anti estrogens or anti aromatases that I have always read about. I thought I was on the right track with aromasin/nolvadex, but maybe not.

I am planning on bloodwork in a week or two. I'm out of town for work and I figured a month off PCT might be a good time to see what my body is doing. I feel pretty much normal though.

 

[ajperretta]

BTW : edited my pct. I left off two weeks of 10 mg nolva by accident

 

[dylangemelli]

forma stanzol is an ai bro

 

[ajperretta]

forma stanzol is an ai bro

Gotcha... I'm still learning. Thank you for the help. I will have about 6 weeks to go before I can do another cycle (that would be approximately time on plus pct). I just want to get my stuff straight so I can avoid the 3 weeks of feeling depressed and no energy.

And shoot... If you get a serious injury a week into pct, it takes forever to heal. Worst possible time to tear a muscle.

 

[Ftsk]

HcGenerate and Unleashed look sort of like GNC gimmicks. I'm not experienced enough to know either way... But, I've always read HCG is an injectable if you get the right stuff. 16 weeks seems long. Am I going to crash really bad or never go back to normal T levels? I want to eventually be back to normal t levels and not screw myself up long term. I dont foresee any more cycles.. I'm nearly as big as i want.

What are the side effects of nolvadex? I didn't seem to have any, unless the depression was in part from that. I've always heard that nolvadex is a standard pct drug, so I'm a little confused why you disagree.

Bro normally I don't bother with ppl who don't do sufficient research and really shouldn't be touching aas but for u I'll make an exception.

16 weeks is long but as long as a thorough pct protocol is lined up u will get everything back to normal levels.
I used nolva once combined with clomid and it was fuckin horrible worst mood swings and no desire to train and it also affected my appetite, basically wat I'm saying is u only need to run 1 serm in pct not 2 and clomid IMHO is the better.
Unleashed/post cycle, hcgenerate aren't gimmicks bro they work well and I've got blood work to prove it. And yes hcg is the better choice but either one will make transition to pct a much smoother process

 

[ajperretta]

Bro normally I don't bother with ppl who don't do sufficient research and really shouldn't be touching aas but for u I'll make an exception.

16 weeks is long but as long as a thorough pct protocol is lined up u will get everything back to normal levels.
I used nolva once combined with clomid and it was fuckin horrible worst mood swings and no desire to train and it also affected my appetite, basically wat I'm saying is u only need to run 1 serm in pct not 2 and clomid IMHO is the better.
Unleashed/post cycle, hcgenerate aren't gimmicks bro they work well and I've got blood work to prove it. And yes hcg is the better choice but either one will make transition to pct a much smoother process

Thanks bro. I actually have spent tons of time researching but It starts getting confusing. Everyone has different suggestions. I have no one that I can personally sit down and talk with. I feel weird talking to the guy who sold me the stuff... So i've just been going all over aas sites and hoping to get enough info. It just seemed like it's time to ask because i want to get it right. I appreciate your help! I will take your advice and some of the other guys here and get a good pct lined up.

 

[ajperretta]

Bro normally I don't bother with ppl who don't do sufficient research and really shouldn't be touching aas but for u I'll make an exception.

16 weeks is long but as long as a thorough pct protocol is lined up u will get everything back to normal levels.
I used nolva once combined with clomid and it was fuckin horrible worst mood swings and no desire to train and it also affected my appetite, basically wat I'm saying is u only need to run 1 serm in pct not 2 and clomid IMHO is the better.
Unleashed/post cycle, hcgenerate aren't gimmicks bro they work well and I've got blood work to prove it. And yes hcg is the better choice but either one will make transition to pct a much smoother process

I'm going to get the hcg injectable. I feel like I've already got enough money tied up into this, i'd rather just spend more on the good stuff and make it worth my time and money. I don't want to screw around on this next cycle. I learned a lot that I want to do differently. I don't think most people understand how much planning needs to go into this. At first, it seems like it's no biggie and you're just gonna shoot some test in yourself for 10-16 weeks and then that's it.

 

[Ftsk]

I'm going to get the hcg injectable. I feel like I've already got enough money tied up into this, i'd rather just spend more on the good stuff and make it worth my time and money. I don't want to screw around on this next cycle. I learned a lot that I want to do differently. I don't think most people understand how much planning needs to go into this. At first, it seems like it's no biggie and you're just gonna shoot some test in yourself for 10-16 weeks and then that's it.

Yeh bro I would go hcg over hcgenerate aswell, just don't run it too long cause it loses effectiveness and as long as ur running it on cycle, alot of guys make the mistake of running it thru pct aswell. Good luck anyway bro, my first cycle was test only and being an idiot I did a clomid only pct and lost half my gains and ended up with low T after pct, so I ran low doses clomid, unleashed/post cycle double dosed and hcgenerate @ 6caps a day and in 2 months my T level was higher than pre cycle blood work. U gonna stick with the eq bro?

 

[ajperretta]

Yeh bro I would go hcg over hcgenerate aswell, just don't run it too long cause it loses effectiveness and as long as ur running it on cycle, alot of guys make the mistake of running it thru pct aswell. Good luck anyway bro, my first cycle was test only and being an idiot I did a clomid only pct and lost half my gains and ended up with low T after pct, so I ran low doses clomid, unleashed/post cycle double dosed and hcgenerate @ 6caps a day and in 2 months my T level was higher than pre cycle blood work. U gonna stick with the eq bro?

I've already got eq on hand, so i was gonna stick with it. The guy I bought my stuff from said EQ would be to mix with test. I asked about deca, but he said it causes more water retention than EQ. My body responded really well to test and I never even went with a high dose. I figure i will lose half of my gains at least. I didn't work out through pct because of the injury and I feel like that was killer.

Do you recommend going a month on that unleashed/post cycle right now? I just finished my pct a few weeks ago but since it sucked, maybe I could benefit from a little something right now?

 

[Ftsk]

I've already got eq on hand, so i was gonna stick with it. The guy I bought my stuff from said EQ would be to mix with test. I asked about deca, but he said it causes more water retention than EQ. My body responded really well to test and I never even went with a high dose. I figure i will lose half of my gains at least. I didn't work out through pct because of the injury and I feel like that was killer.

Do you recommend going a month on that unleashed/post cycle right now? I just finished my pct a few weeks ago but since it sucked, maybe I could benefit from a little something right now?

As long as u have enough eq to run 14-16 weeks @ 500mg-600mg ur golden bro.
U can go and run another pct but first I would go and get some blood work done just to see where ur at and how u recovered, did u get pre cycle blood work?

I would steer clear of deca bro just to be safe as its very suppressive, besides u can get similar results with eq but obviously over a longer period of time and without the negative sides like prolactin

 

[ajperretta]

As long as u have enough eq to run 14-16 weeks @ 500mg-600mg ur golden bro.
U can go and run another pct but first I would go and get some blood work done just to see where ur at and how u recovered, did u get pre cycle blood work?

I would steer clear of deca bro just to be safe as its very suppressive, besides u can get similar results with eq but obviously over a longer period of time and without the negative sides like prolactin

Your eq advice sounds like the guy's that I bought it from. I didn't want the water or hard shut down. I've got partial eq on hand, but I'm going to pick up the rest from him in the next couple weeks. Can I get results at 400mg/week?

Do you recommend anything else stacked with this? I really only hope to end up around 195-200 lbs. I was already benching 350 naturally, so I don't feel like I want to get a TON bigger. Just want a little extra that i can no longer get on my own.

 

[ajperretta]

As long as u have enough eq to run 14-16 weeks @ 500mg-600mg ur golden bro.
U can go and run another pct but first I would go and get some blood work done just to see where ur at and how u recovered, did u get pre cycle blood work?

I would steer clear of deca bro just to be safe as its very suppressive, besides u can get similar results with eq but obviously over a longer period of time and without the negative sides like prolactin

No pre blood work, unfortunately. I was too naive going into this. I didn't realize how careful I needed to be until I already started.

 

[Ftsk]

Test C- 1-16 500mg EW
Eq- 1-16 500-600mg EW
Aromasin- 3-16 12.5 EOD/ED
Hcg- 3-16 500iu EW

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Post cycle 6/6/6/6/3/3/3/3
Unleashed 6/6/6/6/3/3/3/3
DAA 3grams per day
And I normally take hcgenerate between cycles.

Just my 2cents bro

 

[Ftsk]

Your eq advice sounds like the guy's that I bought it from. I didn't want the water or hard shut down. I've got partial eq on hand, but I'm going to pick up the rest from him in the next couple weeks. Can I get results at 400mg/week?

Do you recommend anything else stacked with this? I really only hope to end up around 195-200 lbs. I was already benching 350 naturally, so I don't feel like I want to get a TON bigger. Just want a little extra that i can no longer get on my own.

U could get results @400mg per week but optimal is 500-600. I wouldn't recommend anything else if ur not looking to put on too much size, could add an oral like anavar or winny if u wanna harden up a bit

 

[ajperretta]

Test C- 1-16 500mg EW
Eq- 1-16 500-600mg EW
Aromasin- 3-16 12.5 EOD/ED
Hcg- 3-16 500iu EW

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Post cycle 6/6/6/6/3/3/3/3
Unleashed 6/6/6/6/3/3/3/3
DAA 3grams per day
And I normally take hcgenerate between cycles.

Just my 2cents bro

Thanks. It seems like you know what you're doing. I'm going to start getting my gear together to run this cycle/pct. Getting married in January, so i'll probably wait until that's over to run this kind of longer cycle.

I really appreciate your help. I'll try to remember your username and let you know how it all goes with pre/post blood work and gains.

 

[ajperretta]

Last question - any ideas where i can buy HcGenerate? I dont know if this question is against forum rules. Maybe just pm me. Not sure where the best place is.

 

[Ftsk]

Thanks. It seems like you know what you're doing. I'm going to start getting my gear together to run this cycle/pct. Getting married in January, so i'll probably wait until that's over to run this kind of longer cycle.

I really appreciate your help. I'll try to remember your username and let you know how it all goes with pre/post blood work and gains.

Yeh bro I had to learn the hard way tho by messing up my first cycle/pct so I guess I'm over cautious wen it comes to pct. yeh bro let me know how u go

 

[Ftsk]

Last question - any ideas where i can buy HcGenerate? I dont know if this question is against forum rules. Maybe just pm me. Not sure where the best place is.

needtobuildmuscle.com for unleashed, post cycle, daa and hcgenerate.

 

[dylangemelli]

use coupon code needto139 at needtobuildmuscle for 15% off

 

[ajperretta]

Have either of you used forged post cycle?

 

[ajperretta]

Just bought 2 HcGenerate, 1 postcycle/unleashed combo, 1 forged post cycle, big thing of DAA power chews.

I'm gonna start on the hcgenerate when it arrives. I'll save the other bottle for my pct after next cycle.

 

[Ftsk]

Just bought 2 HcGenerate, 1 postcycle/unleashed combo, 1 forged post cycle, big thing of DAA power chews.

I'm gonna start on the hcgenerate when it arrives. I'll save the other bottle for my pct after next cycle.

Yep I've used forged post cycle and it's g2g, ull need 2xpost cycle, 2xunleashed that's if u wanna double dose . If ntbm is out of stock check out proteinfactory.com

 

[ajperretta]

Instead of double dosing unleashed/post cycle.... Will the addition of forged post cycle be good enough?

My pct would look like (no double dose)
Forma or clomid
HcGenerate
Unleashed
Post cycle
Forged post cycle

I'm going to look at getting some HCG for the last two months prior to coming off cycle. I can use aromasin EOD after week 3 also.

Do you think it would be ok to wait to start aromasin until i start feeling water retention, or should I just play by the rules and do week 3?

I've also got dbol, but i wasn't really impressed with it. It gave me strength gains but mostly just made me swell up with no clean muscle gain. I did that for the first 3 weeks of my cycle. Forgot to mention. I could try it again with the aromasin

 

[Ftsk]

Instead of double dosing unleashed/post cycle.... Will the addition of forged post cycle be good enough?

My pct would look like (no double dose)
Forma or clomid
HcGenerate
Unleashed
Post cycle
Forged post cycle

I'm going to look at getting some HCG for the last two months prior to coming off cycle. I can use aromasin EOD after week 3 also.

Do you think it would be ok to wait to start aromasin until i start feeling water retention, or should I just play by the rules and do week 3?

I've also got dbol, but i wasn't really impressed with it. It gave me strength gains but mostly just made me swell up with no clean muscle gain. I did that for the first 3 weeks of my cycle. Forgot to mention. I could try it again with the aromasin

Forma should be used as an ai and cause u have aromasin u won't need it, and clomid should be used in pct. there's no forma OR clomid u need clomid.
Well the post cycle needs to be double dosed for 4 weeks so yeh throw in the forged post cycle once ur out of post cycle.
Yep I would wait to start aromasin until u feel u need to use it.
Could probly throw in dbol it's a great kicker to a long ester cycle so the choice is urs bro

 

[ajperretta]

Forma should be used as an ai and cause u have aromasin u won't need it, and clomid should be used in pct. there's no forma OR clomid u need clomid.
Well the post cycle needs to be double dosed for 4 weeks so yeh throw in the forged post cycle once ur out of post cycle.
Yep I would wait to start aromasin until u feel u need to use it.
Could probly throw in dbol it's a great kicker to a long ester cycle so the choice is urs bro

Thanks again, bro. You've helped me a ton. This next cycle is gonna be done right.

 

[Ftsk]

Thanks again, bro. You've helped me a ton. This next cycle is gonna be done right.

No worries, don't want bros messing themselves up. If u need anything just pm me

 

[ajperretta]

Got blood work. Test level = 552 ng/dL.

It's only been 8 weeks since last pin. I guess this is pretty good according to the doc. Still expecting T levels to come up more since my LH/FSH was high.