Man, I wish we had this forum back in the day. I could have saved myself a lot of misery. THANK YOU all so much for the advice. I'm not on HCGenerate or HCG. My endo is open minded but she is still and M.D., meaning that there is still a box she can't think outside of. She's just a little better than most. I gotta get a blood test for her in a week so I quit taking all test and boosters 2 weeks ago to make sure my levels are a little low. I know that's cheating but as I've worked with M.D.'s all my life I know how they think. Any rate, I don't have any problems with shrinkage. My Estrogen was a little too high but the Forma must be working because any boobs I started to get disappeared in about 2 weeks. The stuff works so good I'm surprised the FDA haven't banned it. I'm thinking maybe do the Helladrol first, then follow up with phytoserms as part of a PCT? Thanks for pointing out that being on TRT I shouldn't have too many problems with that. I hate to keep bothering you guys but what do you think of doing Helladrol and then Phytoserms? This has been a tremendous help, I hope I can do the same for someone sometime. Thanks again.