what up bros, been gone a good while, a little behind the times nowadays dig. i have cycled real gear, exstensively in past times, and never thought much of the PH's, seem dirty, more sides per gains than real gear. but i do believe guys definately got some worthwhile results from them. now that the strongest of those is illegal now though and 'THEY' are on top of that whole scene, i'm highly skeptical of any legal prohormones, etc. now. it'd been excellent to be able to run some PH 4-6 mos. a yr. and get real test boost and gains, without the expense of full cycling (on top of the regular supps and food), a miracle PH or two that require no serious ancilliary campaign and get decent and consistent gains. i already use 5% minoxidil 2x/d. i'm 228lbs @5'11", age 30, bdyfat a bit high at 10%, not been able to eat lean while maintaining muscle where i've been. Q's: man are these supps 4 real??? gear-like gains from: helladrol, diesel, beast . . . i thought they made all the effective PH's illegal? are these not precursers? do they not work by boosting T levels? i was planning a real gear cycle, but if i could really get consistent and worthwhile gains with so cheap and easy from these supps, i'd probably just stick with them and probably the gh precursor peps i've been looking into. so who's swearing on these drastic gains by these 3 supps??? if it's 4 real, will someone lay me out a complete cycle with these, including any pct after (taking in consideration a history of over 4 yrs. of heavy cycling, was moving gear in quantity locally myself and going hard personally, and already with a decent muscle base to build on). no beginners run, i lift hard, eat like a maniac and receptors seem to be hangin in there all good but have definately been taken down through there. put me together a mid-level advanced plan man. if i'm convinced i'll go comp some of this shit and tell ya'll the stats afterwards. much appreciated if one of you gurus can take the time, i trust the boards word. tell me whats really the deal with these super supps and how to run them and with what and what to expect. if it's that much simpler and cheaper i'll put gear on the backburner and only run a cycle every year or two when i just get to jonesin too hard for the real. i know you know the feeling. i wanna go hard real soon bad, but $ is limited and i don't do minor gear cycles, i go big or nothing. if these supps are what you guys are sayin, that could keep things a little cheaper and simpler for awhile till i'm more comfortable financially. if not, i'm getting my gear groove on soonest, fuck rent, i'll sleep in grandmas basement, i been out less than 30 days after 6 years gone and wanna get back to where i used to be, at least truly on the way, pronto. size is everything!!! (along with freakish strength and barely controllable aggression! ahhh the good ol days . . .). get at me Bros, let me know somethin. i've searched all over myself and can't get a straight anwser i trust from the info available, everybody has an agenda, so i've gotta turn this one over to the expertise of the board. Right on all. SOUTH