Hearing tomorrow on 1,4 BD

[T726A]

Hi everyone,
Recently I came across this board and found some articles about the webslinger operation so I decided to join the board. Back in September the DEA came into my house because of a package that I had received. It contained 1,4 BD. It was two small bottles and according to the report they are charging me with over 2000 grams of 1,4 BD. Don't know if that constitutes the two bottles of 1,4 BD.

Tomorrow I am going to the court hearing and am a little nervous. I hired a reputable attorney and even spoke to Mr. Collins (steroidlaw) about my case. According to my attorney they want to put me away for 1 year. They are charging me with trafficking which is a shock to me because I never distributed. They also didn't go federal instead they are charging me in state. I haven't seen the full police report though.

I served in the force for 19 yrs and they are still pursuing to put me away. I was unaware that 1,4 BD was illegal to consume but legal for other circumstances for example they are used in "Revitalize Plus, Serenity, Enliven, SomatoPro, NRG3, Thunder Nectar and Weight Belt Cleaner". I read the case about Roberts but that was in Federal Courts and not State Courts.

I used the 1,4 BD to help me with my insomnia and my depression. I have never used this product towards anyone other than myself. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do or any other articles that might be able to help me tomorrow at my hearing?

 

[HighIntensity]

this shits fucked up,

 

[Johnny Cut]

good luck bro, jus had court on monday myself for domestic violence

 

[mvmaxx]

That's ridiculous. The federal government is so fucked up. How the hell can they prove distribution? They can't! I sure as hell hope your lawyer gets you off bro. Let us know what happens either way. Good luck I'll pray for you.

 

[Zyglamail]

What did Mr collins say? He is going to be able to offer far more and better advice than you are likely to get here.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

This really upsets me.

I think that the government needs to clearly distinguish between the distributors of illegal drugs and those that use for personal reasons.

Putting an otherwise law abiding citizen away for 1 year in jail because of personal use will wreck havoc on that persons life and the life of that persons family.

Well, my thoughts won't really help you out...but best of luck tomorrow.

 

[FreakMonster]

How would an ordinary person have the reasonable opportunity to know whether 1,4-butanediol meets the analogue definition?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but 1,4 not only converts more slowly, but converts by a different enzyme and if certain other chemicals are in the body, there will be competition for the 1,4 conversion enzyme and the 1,4 may not convert to GHB AT ALL! (GBL always converts to GHB rapidly and immediately by a DIFFERENT enzyme.)

 

[eatmyass]

where did you order this from and how they snaged it? you must be in NY i bet

 

[EngiCream]

go to Animal's site www.animalkits.be and click on "forum" and search around on there...lots of info.

 

[Frackal]

Disgusting.

 

[T726A]

Thank you everyone.
To answer a couple questions: Mr Collins referred me to a couple of lawyers down here in Florida. I called a couple of them and being that they charge tens of thousands of dollars, they were too busy to take my case. Mr. Collins has been very helpful and gave me some information that i might be able to use.

The site that I ordered it from had to do with something with cosmetics in the name. I am kinda wary on disclosing too much information. But what do I have to lose? I am losing my business and my mind.

 

[drrman]

european cosmetics labs, the site is still up too, fucking asshole sold out all his customers to save his own fucking ass. Good luck with the charges, if things go well you should be exonerated

 

[wilson6]

"It was two small bottles and according to the report they are charging me with over 2000 grams of 1,4 BD."

1,4 BD has a density around 1g/ml

2000 g = 2000 ml = 2 liters = a little more than 2 quarts of liquid.

1 quart container doesn't equal small.

Something isn't right here.

W6

 

[T726A]

I think something funny is happening as well. I found out that there have been cases dropped and mine still standing. An individual also here in Florida was offered PTI but I don't understand why I wasn't offered that too. Maybe they are pursuing me because I was in law enforcement for 19 yrs and trying to show society/public that even cops can't get away with things. Don't know.
I read some articles on Animal's site. Some of it scared me cause of past court rulings in MN. There hasn't been any court rulings in Florida so I am going to be the first one testing the waters around here.
As for the two small bottles, the box that I received that day wasn't big enough for 2 liters. I haven't seen the actual police report, everything has been told to me by my attorney.

 

[jboldman]

butanediol is converted(ultimately) to ghb via the same enzyme in the liver that metabolizes alcohol(alcohol dehydrogenase ). If you are genetically deficient in this enzyme the conversion can take a long time as well as if you have consumed alcohol it will prolong the conversion of bute. GBL, otoh, is hydrolized back and forth to ghb in an equilibrium manner more or less immediately.

jb

How would an ordinary person have the reasonable opportunity to know whether 1,4-butanediol meets the analogue definition?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but 1,4 not only converts more slowly, but converts by a different enzyme and if certain other chemicals are in the body, there will be competition for the 1,4 conversion enzyme and the 1,4 may not convert to GHB AT ALL! (GBL always converts to GHB rapidly and immediately by a DIFFERENT enzyme.)

 

[DeepZenPill]

Good luck bro, this kind of shit makes me sick. I only found out a few days ago that 1,4 was a GHB analogue, and I wouldn't consider myself the average american citizen. I read a ton of info about substances used by bodybuilders, and only after hearing about these cases did I research 1,4.

The whole analogue law uses vague language and requires drugs to be "chemically substantially similar." From what I've read of similar cases regarding 1,4 butanediol, they claim the law can be applied because it is common knowledge that the substance is similar to GHB, but they bring in FDA doctors to explain how the drug is an analogue. Of course a doctor is gonna know that, why don't they bring in some average guy and ask him, and put the law to the test.

 

[T726A]

Thank you everyone for the advice and support. Right now I am heading for bed hoping to catch some shut eye. Court is at 9:30am. Wish me luck. Take care

 

[harddtime]

http://www.steroidlaw.com/article_full.asp?id=15

print this out and take it to court with you. It states that the law is unconsitutionally vague when it comes to 1,4 being an analogue

 

[beefybull]

There was a recent case regarding either 1,4 in which the government got showed up by someone who proved that 1,4 is in no way an analogue of GHB. If they are trying to use the analogue law against you, they either dont know about this case or assume you wont use its precedent against them.

If I were you, I'd be finding out about that case and printing out any info you could and getting it to your lawyer ASAP.

Say you bought it to clean with.

 

[harddtime]

thats the case that i put a link up for

 

[bullcocky]

that smacks

 

[amenselah]

The funny thing about this is that you can get hardcore drugs like cocaine easier than ever and here they are wasting time and money on an minor thing.....

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

1,4 is legal in some states, but not all. What state are u in? I bet you are in Florida b/c 1.4 is illegal there. If you were in NY it would be perfectly legal.

 

[orca]

Bro I am in the same boat as you right now, just got taken down yesterday, I hope all is well, please feel free to email me to exchange some advice and cry on each others shoulders,LOL.

OrCa

 

[Zoomster]

I only have one thing to say...FIND AN ATTORNEY THAT KNOW'S HOW TO PLAY " HARD BALL!"

Most of these f's are in this for the money!

I have fired many of these idiots, which most of them are, believe me I have three in my family. Getting a law degree is all about being able to read and quote cases.

Don't mess around with a pussy attorney, find one that has the desire to win. Most of them look at you as a number.

Oh, well, my two cents worth..I just hate to see a good bro get railroaded on a bullshit charge.

 

[sauerbrauten]

1st - Get a Lawyer recomended by Rick Collins.
2nd- Show them the Federal Case that is linked on his website (the transcript and decision)

You can use this case which was in 2002 to dismiss this charge and also sue the prosecuting parties. It was rulle din Federal court so that superseeds any rullings. THey have to dismiss this just on that fact that this has been decided be4 not to be a Analogue of Ghb..although the analogue act applies as a layman can using a chart determine that the GHB and 1,4 are diferent in their characteristics and properties and it is not vague... However fact is that the substances do not posses the same chemical properties.


http://www.steroidlaw.com/article_full.asp?id=15

 

[sauerbrauten]

Also,

Substancialy similar substances that the Dea would consider substancialy similar could be alot of which are used in everyday cooking etc healthfood stores, so then the govt is not doing its job by administrating minnimum law enforcment guidlines for this etc.

4th get Rick Collins book called Legall Muscle


Good Luck,

You shoudlnt need it