Heads up!! Something could happen Sept. 22!!!!

[FreakMonster]

Law enforcement and other officials familiar with the evidence said the FBI is investigating whether the terrorist network behind the Sept. 11 attacks targeted more flights for hijacking beyond the four that crashed.
They also are increasingly persuaded — as a result of intelligence intercepts, witness interviews and evidence gathered in hijackers’ cars and homes — that a second wave of violence was planned by collaborators. They said Sept. 22 has emerged as an important date in the evidence but declined to be more specific, The Associated Press reported.

Tuesday’s attacks were “part of a larger plan with other terrorism acts, not necessarily hijacking of airplanes,” said Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. “Those acts were going to occur in the United States and elsewhere in the world.”
One reason authorities are focusing on Sept. 22 may have do do with the detention of a Saudi doctor in Texas. The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday quoted unidentified law enforcement sources as saying that Albadr Alhazmi and two other men with the same surname had booked flights on that date from San Antonio to San Diego by way of Denver.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/628563.asp

 

[RealDeal]

They showed his mug on TV last night (I live in Dallas), but later said that although some information has come up about Sept. 22nd, authorities stated that they believe that date really isn't very significant.

Who knows what to believe at this point...anything is possible. And what's double Sept 11? Sept 22. I fly on Sept 21 & Sept 23...tell me I don't have some worries?

 

[Warik]

I fly on Sept 21 & Sept 23...tell me I don't have some worries?

Bring a gun & a parachute.

-Warik

 

[gymtime]

Sept. 22, 11 days after Sept. 11. We must ban this evil number 11!!!!!

 

[Binky]

Bring a gun & a parachute.

-Warik

Come on! Everybody know's that airport security
isn't gonna let him carry a 'parachute' on the
plane

 

[RealDeal]

I'm sure Warik was being funny, though if it were possible, he'd be totally serious.

Regardless, I'll be much more aware than I have been in the past, and if any crazy fucks try something...the hell if I'm gonna sit on my ass and watch it happen.

I cancelled my flights last weekend, not gonna do it again. If something happens to go down on one of my flights, I'll do what I can to stop it or die tryin'. Though I think the chance of anything happening is very, very slim.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

They should have parachutes on the planes rather than those floatation cushions or life vests. I wonder which would be used more...

 

[the nature boy]

If those psychos try anthing during a NFL game I'm going to war myself!!!

 

[Kakdiesel]

Ok..seriously, and i dont mean to sound racist but the FAA should be understanding if a white (or black or korean ) clean cut american male would like to exercise his 2nd ammendment and bring aboard a gun or something as long as it is registered in his name etc.

Especially during these times...do we have armed us marshalls on every flight yet? i know there were talking about it but i doubt every flight has one.

whatcha'll think

 

[RealDeal]

kak - I partially agree. I think there would have to be some extremely tight security & regulations on who could & could not carry a weapon aboard. There would need to be extensive training & certification required, this being only available to those who have previous firearm training, experience & licenses.

I wouldn't want some fucknut pulling out a gun on an aircraft and firing, then ending up puncturing the fuselage, resulting in a larger rip, possibly killing others or bringing the entire plane down & killing everyone aboard.

You see the danger?

 

[Binky]

I'm sure Warik was being funny, though if it were possible, he'd be totally serious.

Regardless.

Yeah, I got the funny, I was making a dig
at airport security

 

[Kakdiesel]

yes I agree..just like the old saying "Guns dont people, dumb people kill people"

Yes an extended background check on the person etc should be involved..but i think i would feel comfortable if say a former marine, or expert marksman gaming hunter who was a good american with no criminal past was on a plane with me...just so that if some stupid ass terrorist tries to pull out his box cutter knife out on the stewardesses and pilots, he could:

just pop a few rounds into his legs, disabling him
then the thankful captain and crew would turn on the lights on the airplane that says you can take off your seatbelt,
then everybody ont eh plane getting in line to take turns kicking him in the face.
one by one each passenger would leave their shoe print on his grill
you can let the kiddies and babies piss and take a shit on him.
then when the plane lands, everybody can rip a piece of his clothing off of him to take home as a souvenir to remember the day they got to take back their freedom and earn it by kickin the shit outta some terrorist..

 

[RealDeal]

kak - I like your thinking!

 

[velvett]

yes I agree..just like the old saying "Guns dont people, dumb people kill people"

Yes an extended background check on the person etc should be involved..but i think i would feel comfortable if say a former marine, or expert marksman gaming hunter who was a good american with no criminal past was on a plane with me...just so that if some stupid ass terrorist tries to pull out his box cutter knife out on the stewardesses and pilots, he could:

Speaking of dumb people ---


I hope he/she brings the right bullets so he/she doesn't risk the lives of EVERYONE on the plane.


Just a thought.

 

[Kakdiesel]

kak - I like your thinking!

well mudd fucka, I maybe korean from head to toe, and sometimes I criticize our government and politics, but I bleed red white and blue playa

 

[Kryp2o]

If those psychos try anthing during a NFL game I'm going to war myself!!!

LOL. I'm with you on that one.

 

[Kakdiesel]

Kak, youre an idiot.Letting normal civilians bring guns on planes?Good, now we'll have more domestic terrorists taking advantage aside from religious fanatics.Timothy Mcveigh was a clean cut, trained marine who served during the Gulf War.

I would rather take that chance during THESE times you dumb mother fucker...who are you callin an idiot..lick on these BA in chemistry with minor in medical sociology NUTS...dont insult my intelligence..

 

[Kryp2o]

I would rather take that chance during THESE times you dumb mother fucker...who are you callin an idiot..lick on these BA in chemistry with minor in medical sociology NUTS...dont insult my intelligence..

He . . . He . . . Heeeeee . . . :^)

 

[velvett]

Love ya kaky...
but


Trab 1 - Kaky - 0


Next shot!


uh, no pun intended.

 

[Kakdiesel]

I can tell you are a left brain, cuz obviously you have no creative skills in coming up with names..moron bitch..like whoa...i cant even come back on that LMAO

yes i'm proud of having my bachelors in chemistry and minor medical sociology..plus i'm about to start chiropractic school..

it takes a lot of intelligence to live the life I do and to have accomplished what i've done..and it has taken just as much if not more for others on this board to be where tehy are today.

you, my little elitefitness flamer, have not contributed anything useful on this board..you're a newbie..

dont get itno a flame war with a veteran on here..

 

[PHATchik]

You tell 'em Kaky. I've got your back.

 

[Kakdiesel]

Love ya kaky...
but


Trab 1 - Kaky - 0


Next shot!


uh, no pun intended.

no love lost..by the way, i lvoed that avatar of your face

anyways, yes it would be stupid to let any red blooded american on a plane with a gun..but how safe is it to have ANY human being on board a plane with a gun? Remember? the FAA stopped the gun toting us marshalls flying ont he plane a long time ago even though we USE to do it...why? for safety measures (and in my opinion, the US and FAA got a lil too comfortable and cocky with terrorism)

So you tell me this, whats the difference between a US marshall carring a gun a mile high in the air and a regular US citizen? Anybody can make a mistake and shoot the wrong thing/person.

oh cuz we can trust all US marshalls? Well lets see, if the middle eastern fuckin terrorists can get by our national security and into this country and forge fake documents and shit, dont you think an american terrorist who is a regular looking white male pose as a US marshall?

I think so

so the question is, who can you trust? NOBODY..but you got to somehow

 

[Kakdiesel]

Velvett, if youre still keeping score, i think you actually need to subtract a point from Kak, as his post failed terribly as an insult.

Oh and another thing, more than 3000 posts on this board?I think I'll pass on the intelligence it takes to live the life you do.

I wasn referring to my number of posts as my stat for intelligence..And there is no such thing as a "test" ..i'm speaking personally...if i was unintelligent with no common sense i wouldnt be where i am today...

 

[RealDeal]

Velvett, if youre still keeping score, i think you actually need to subtract a point from Kak, as his post failed terribly as an insult.

Oh and another thing, more than 3000 posts on this board?I think I'll pass on the intelligence it takes to live the life you do.

Man, did you even read the posts above? Nobody said shit about letting anyone & everyone on a plane with a firearm.

This is only a discussion...hence a DISCUSSION BOARD. I think there are serious consequences possible with allowing guns on planes other than those carried by air marshalls, for example, but neither am I totally against it.

Calling someone a moron, idiot or bitch because they view some positives out of such a scenario accomplishes nothing besides making you look like a complete jackass. You threw the 1st punch, not kak.

No flame to you intended, btw.

 

[Frackal]

What happense if the gun goes off and blows a whole through the fuselage or a window huh?

 

[Weapon X]

What happense if the gun goes off and blows a whole through the fuselage or a window huh?

The pilot will drop to a lower altitude to depressurize.

 

[Kakdiesel]

What happense if the gun goes off and blows a whole through the fuselage or a window huh?

with any security measure there are risks Frack..no flame but here me out and read again what i posted.

Now people want the FAA to put an armed us marshall on board again like they use to in the 70's...well you're right, what if it goes off and blows a hole through a 2 year old kids brain?

The point is, is with every security measure there are risks--period. So whats the argument now? against those US marshalls riding planes? THing is, is you cant have it both ways. we want protection in teh skies, well we gotta have armed people in the skies. there are no police airplanes that can fly up behind you and flash their lights and pull you over.

So protection in the skies maybe with a risk of a gun goin off? Or no protection in teh skies, and lettin every dickhead terrorist (of any race!) use a fuckin box cutter to take over a 757!

thats the judgement call...

 

[Weapon X]

Or only allow frangible rounds on plane.

 

[RealDeal]

The pilot will drop to a lower altitude to depressurize.

True X, but that wouldn't prevent the possibility of severe damage to the aircraft before the pilot can drop to a safer altitude. Depends on the strength of the area on the fuselage where the bullet impacts.

 

[Frackal]

Kak, I must have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying, let civilians carry on board, I am all for Air Marshals...definitely.

 

[Austin316]

The pilots should at least be armed with stun guns

 

[velvett]

no love lost..by the way, i lvoed that avatar of your face

anyways, yes it would be stupid to let any red blooded american on a plane with a gun..but how safe is it to have ANY human being on board a plane with a gun? Remember? the FAA stopped the gun toting us marshalls flying ont he plane a long time ago even though we USE to do it...why? for safety measures (and in my opinion, the US and FAA got a lil too comfortable and cocky with terrorism)

So you tell me this, whats the difference between a US marshall carring a gun a mile high in the air and a regular US citizen? Anybody can make a mistake and shoot the wrong thing/person.

oh cuz we can trust all US marshalls? Well lets see, if the middle eastern fuckin terrorists can get by our national security and into this country and forge fake documents and shit, dont you think an american terrorist who is a regular looking white male pose as a US marshall?

I think so

so the question is, who can you trust? NOBODY..but you got to somehow

Darlin' - you can't trust everyone all the time.

Humans are bound by emotions which are unstable at best making all of us far from perfect.

The advantage of an Air Marshall vs. an armed civilian is that he/she is trainned in way that a civilian is not.


And that is not to say everything would be perfect either.


It's a tough call either way.


Me - I'm more worried about chemical warfare.

 

[MP5]

I would rather chance a hole in the plane than a big fucking building coming right at me at 400 miles an hour!

 

[Kryp2o]

Darlin' - you can't trust everyone all the time.

Humans are bound by emotions which are unstable at best making all of us far from perfect.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Warik]

What happense if the gun goes off and blows a whole through the fuselage or a window huh?

Who says it would?

Most home invasion scenarios are resolved without a single round being fired. The presence of an armed homeowner is enough to deter most criminals - the others become food for worms.

Now, imagine a plane with not one, not two, but possibly ALL of the passengers being armed.

Have fun hijacking it.

-Warik

 

[Frackal]

What I was referring to in my grossly misspelled sentence above was civilians/average Americans being allowed to carry on flights.

That would have prevented an attack from guys with knives yeah, but if everyone had guns, don't you think the terrorists would too? Now of course, logic tells us that 20 passengers with guns and 4 terrorists with guns would result either in surrender by the terrorists or a shootout, unless the terrorists managed to take the pilots hostage or what-not first.

Air Marshals carrying, yes, your average dumb redneck with a permit, fuck no, especially if they are drinking.

Logic as well as common sense tells us that if there are 40 armed humans on average per plane, accidents will happen, probably a hell of a lot more than terrorist attacks are foiled...bullet through the fuel tank anyone?

 

[MoneyBags]

where the hell is rambo when you need him!!!?

 

[Evloks]

Check this out. Freakay stuff

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=56648

 

[HamHock]

where the hell is rambo when you need him!!!?

I believe it is Steven Segal or Chuck Norris who does the whole "rescue the hijacked plane" thing. Rambo is better suited for killing on the ground with weapons that never run out of ammo, plus if I recall correctly, wasn't he in cahoots with Bin Laden during that Afghan-USSR thing?

 

[bambam]

If those psychos try anthing during a NFL game I'm going to war myself!!!

BAHAHAHHHA

 

[chesty]

Without reading too many responses I'll say this, they will not tell us what, when or where as that would give up their hand. They most likely hope to catch them in the act and stop it before it get's started.

Problem is they won't be able to.