HCG post cycle...

[Realgains]

Under what circumstances should one use HCG post cycle? What is the best way to do this?

ALSO....Why is Bill Roberts against its use post cycle?

 

[nautica]

Bill Roberts is a dumbass. Just go to a major competition and listen to the big boys laugh at him.

Use HCG post cycle at 5000 IU's to get your balls going again. Some even use it in the middle of thier cycle for the same reason.

Nautica

 

[Realgains]

Thats a pretty loud statement dude....tell us WHY he is a dumb ass...just because he doesn't say do HCG? I have always thought the dude was "right on the money" for the most part....nobody knows it all.

 

[nautica]

Him being a dumbass has nothing to do with wether he likes HCG or not. It has to do with him being a dumbass.

But. A dumbass that has capitalized and a made a lot of money. So I guess he is a dumbass with a lot of money.

Nautica

 

[Realgains]

You should expand on such a statement dude...really....you are entitled to your opinion but you should really say why.

 

[galaxy]

I like to use hcg post cycle during the three weeks before I start my clomid therapy.......galaxy

 

[ultragainz]

i have heard a lot of people saying HCG useless...

 

[XBiker]

i have heard a lot of people saying HCG useless...

I am just finishing HCG while on a long cycle. I will post a report on it after the holidays.

In a nutshell, it works.

 

[Realgains]

Calling all Guru's....Bill llewellyn.. Macro...Stew Meat

 

[Realgains]

bump for day shift

 

[aky]

bump, i would like to know also how/when to use it. Post cycle with clomid? After.... how long after, etc....

 

[panerai]

Hm, I thought it was already discussed too many times.
And, please, ignore "nautica", he is in the wrong thread.

 

[aky]

Hm, I thought it was already discussed too many times.
And, please, ignore "nautica", he is in the wrong thread.

if u know the answers can you share it with me please?

 

[muscleup]

well I think the optimal time to use hcg is the last two weeks of your cycle while androgen levels are high....HCG will cause a rise in androgen levels/ jump start LH production, So you want to take it while they are already high...I would use 500-1000iu's per day for 2 weeks.....wait 3 weeks after last injection then and only then start your clomid therapy...DO NOT RUN THEM TOGETHER....as the hcg will cancel out the clomids effects...and it basically becomes useless....I base this on the research That i have done...I would like to hear more about this...

 

[panerai]

if u know the answers can you share it with me please?

Not only with you...
Under what circumstances? If you firmly belive that after the cycle your testicles need jump start. In most cases, if cycle is only 8-12 weeks long, and you take long enough break between cycles to completely recover your HPTA, and you are healthy male between 18 and 35, you don't need it. Of course, there're exceptions to this rule.
If your cycle is long, or you are older guy, or you suspect that your testicles become "dead" or close to it, you need to use HCG.
How? Start at the very end of your cycle, may be one week before you suppose to start Clomid, and run it for 2-3 weeks, depending on how bad your shape is, the lower dosage, the better, but stay within 500iu-1000iu a day, again, prefferably lower dosage. Clomid is a must during that time, and Arimidex is almost a must (if you really care about your reproductive system, please use it!)
After you done with HCG, keep Clomid and Arimidex for at least 2-3 weeks, and after you done with it, keep running Arimidex for one week longer.

Some people believe that Nolvadex is better then Clomid, some believe that Arimidex alone is enough, but that's all debatable.

If I missed something, let me know.

 

[genarr3]

Not only with you...
Under what circumstances? If you firmly belive that after the cycle your testicles need jump start. In most cases, if cycle is only 8-12 weeks long, and you take long enough break between cycles to completely recover your HPTA, and you are healthy male between 18 and 35, you don't need it. Of course, there're exceptions to this rule.
If your cycle is long, or you are older guy, or you suspect that your testicles become "dead" or close to it, you need to use HCG.
How? Start at the very end of your cycle, may be one week before you suppose to start Clomid, and run it for 2-3 weeks, depending on how bad your shape is, the lower dosage, the better, but stay within 500iu-1000iu a day, again, prefferably lower dosage. Clomid is a must during that time, and Arimidex is almost a must (if you really care about your reproductive system, please use it!)
After you done with HCG, keep Clomid and Arimidex for at least 2-3 weeks, and after you done with it, keep running Arimidex for one week longer.

Some people believe that Nolvadex is better then Clomid, some believe that Arimidex alone is enough, but that's all debatable.

If I missed something, let me know.

Thank you sir for another fine post.

 

[Silverback316]

bump

 

[superchicken]

imo, for all but the heaviest suppressed, or those who just dont respond well, this is what id do.

500iu ed for 10 days, timing the hcg to end 5 days before clomid therapy starts. dont adjust the regular clomid therapy times, keep them the same distance from last gear shot as normal. the inclusion of an anti aromatose should be used during hcg treatment and clomid, and nolva at 10mg starting w/ the hcg, until clomid starts is also a good idea.

large infrequent hcg doses are far from optimal, they can desensitize the leydig cells to lh(which is bad espescially considering you about to start clomid to promote lh production)
and also increase potential sides greatly. hcgs life in the body is very short lived, hence ed injections being superior, although the boost in test may remain for up to around 5 days following a shot of hcg.