HCG only cycle! trust me it works!!!!!!

[tokebloke]

This Is Extremely Bad advice!

Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.

 

[zips92]

Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.

tokebloke.......I know there are a lot of opinions about HCG, but you have inidcated some things that also seem different than what I have continued to learn, read, and see posted on EF. Never run HCG during pct??

Some of these excerpts come from Jenetic's post in PCT Forum:

.......Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

There are a ton of experienced bros that said Jenetic's advice is the shit. What are your recommendations based on, because I am very confused even more now?

 

[satchboogie]

tokebloke.......I know there are a lot of opinions about HCG, but you have inidcated some things that also seem different than what I have continued to learn, read, and see posted on EF. Never run HCG during pct??

Some of these excerpts come from Jenetic's post in PCT Forum:

.......Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

There are a ton of experienced bros that said Jenetic's advice is the shit. What are your recommendations based on, because I am very confused even more now?

JENETIC is a true guru!
i had no idea he held the same view until i read this post.
im glad a true guru also sees the potential of hcg as a mass builder.

 

[satchboogie]

This Is Extremely Bad advice!

Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.

care to share what makes you such guru??
check your credentials before stepping up to me brosky.

 

[Ozz2001]

Interesting thread...I see were ppl are saying its cheaper to run a test cycle then hcg..But i think the point is if you just ran a cycle and gained 20lbs of muscle and you can pct and gain 5 more lbs with no lose of muscle from the cycle this seems to make sence to me..... Now i dont know that much as far as what the higher levels might do or not do but its clear what hes trying to say...

 

[tokebloke]

care to share what makes you such guru??
check your credentials before stepping up to me brosky.

my credentials...........your a tiny lil shit who talks like he's ronnie coleman. I have natty friends bigger then u.

 

[tokebloke]

later when I have the time I'l post some studies that prove hcg does decrease leydig cell sensitivity. Also, the only way I have found to effectively repair the sensitivity is by hg and/or igf use. I'll post a study that shows that too.

 

[dugie65]

heyyyyyy now.

both of you.. opinions are opinions unless they're disproved with known FACTS so just leave them be.

 

[zips92]

Sorry bros, just noticed.......Off subject for a sec, I am trying to figure out which of Dial_tone's avatars I like the best, frontal or rear? Decisions, decisions.........

 

[kbrkbr]

Okay, while we're on this subject, does anyone know anything about hmg? I read a study -- lost to hard drive corruption -- about a bb who had been on for something like three years and wanted to get his wife pregnant and an endo used hcg and hmg together with clomid to bring him back.