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HCG old fashioned?

ilpadrone

ilpadrone

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Can you share your ideas on this?

A local 'guru' here in Amsterdam I recently talked to stated that
I could better use only Nolvadex with DHEA supp for my PCT then
the 3x 1000iu's HCG/week with Nolvadex that I usually do.
I just started Trenbolone/Winstrol/Insuline cycle.

He guides a few pro's in the big Holland competitions and he says it's old fashioned with HCG and that this jumpstart technique actually takes longer to recover too.


* No Way Back *
 
I cant see how as hcg is used soley for test stimulation I think it makes you recover much quicker
think about it, youre balls are so shivelled and tight you could strike a match of you scrotum,add s few 500ius shot of hcg an bingo they you go,the boys are back in town,use nolva to keep them running
 
ilpadrone said:
Can you share your ideas on this?

A local 'guru' here in Amsterdam I recently talked to stated that
I could better use only Nolvadex with DHEA supp for my PCT then
the 3x 1000iu's HCG/week with Nolvadex that I usually do.
I just started Trenbolone/Winstrol/Insuline cycle.

He guides a few pro's in the big Holland competitions and he says it's old fashioned with HCG and that this jumpstart technique actually takes longer to recover too.


* No Way Back *
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Who are you talking about? ....and no its not old fashioned
 
The claim that HCG is 'old fashioned' seems uninformed to me. HCG very effectively grows your testicles back to full size, thereby restoring the 'machinery' needed to make a full supply of natural test. Nolva, clomid and other anti-e's cannot do that, they can only help stimulate natty test production using whatever machinery you currently have. Without HCG your testicles will eventually return to full size, but that might take months. Nolva with shrunken testicles will be less effective than nolva with full testicles. So I think you really want both.
 
tempest2003 said:
durring cycle? i understood it being pct, everyone says somthing different about HCG, WHATS THE DEAL?!
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yea man its a big fucking waste of time to come up with a straight answer of HCG use.
 
tempest2003 said:
durring cycle? i understood it being pct, everyone says somthing different about HCG, WHATS THE DEAL?!
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Here's the deal:

HCG will restore your testes to full size and function but it will suppress the hypothalamus and pituitary which are the first two glands in the HPTA chain.

You can take HCG during your cycle or just prior to your S.E.R.M. (clomid or nolvadex) therapy. But, you need the 3 weeks of S.E.R.M. therapy AFTER the HCG for full recovery.
 
ilpadrone said:
Can you share your ideas on this?

A local 'guru' here in Amsterdam I recently talked to stated that
I could better use only Nolvadex with DHEA supp for my PCT then
the 3x 1000iu's HCG/week with Nolvadex that I usually do.
I just started Trenbolone/Winstrol/Insuline cycle.

He guides a few pro's in the big Holland competitions and he says it's old fashioned with HCG and that this jumpstart technique actually takes longer to recover too.


* No Way Back *
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Can you tell us who this "guru" is?
 
tempest2003 said:
durring cycle? i understood it being pct, everyone says somthing different about HCG, WHATS THE DEAL?!
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HCG has been successfully used on cycle and post-cycle, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to people who think there is only one right answer for this. There are many opinions about this, and there are minor tradeoffs involved, but it is possible to successfully use HCG both ways. It depends on your cycle and on your needs. If you are doing a very long cycle, you might want "refresher" doses of HCG to restore your testicles mid-cycle to slow down their shrinking. If you use HCG too long after your cycle, it will have suppressive effects, but this is temporary and is generally outweighed by the tremendous benefits of restoring your testicles to full size, if they have shrunken. If your balls have shrunk, it's an easy argument that you need HCG, whenever that may happen to be.

I prefer HCG to be used during the time between your last shot and before androgen levels return to baseline, which is generally the first 2-3 weeks right after your last shot, if you are using long esters. It should be used concurrently with an anti-e or AI.
 
15-20 yrs ago the only pct anyone did that I know of was HCG EOD the last 2 weeks of your cycle. Supposedly this was the only way to keep your gains. Keep in mind that there was no internet sources or underground manuals to consult back then. All AAS 411 was shared by word of mouth by guys that may/may not know WTF they're talking about.
 
steelmass said:
You use HCG while ON CYCLE, not during PCT.
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Not correct at all. HCG seems to be always misused in here. You guys do a search on the internet for HCG and see what they say about proper usage. Safely it is only a four week program, after cycle, to jump start your balls. Misused it can cause some serious problems. I don't want to debate it because soo many in here say the opposite, what I am saying is go do some research on your own and find out more.
 
Thanks all for the posts so far. Sounds like things are still the same and there is no old fashioned hcg crap. That's what I thought too. Just wanted to throw it out and hear what the elite thinks about this..

After my last 12+ weeks hgh/test/deca/win/clen/t3 cycle in 2005 I started HCG on the 9th day after the last Test/Deca shot. I used a simple 3x1250iu/wk for 3 weeks schedule with nolvadex 40mg's/ed and after that 4
extra weeks of 20mg ed nolvadex. Recovery of balls and hormones went quite ok, but not really fast to be honest. Balls shrinked more then I expected
during this cycle so next time there will be mid-hcg usage for me to try
during such a cycle.

I think I could have added some clomid and one extra week of hcg's to be a bit faster maybe, but I hadn't any new cycle in mind anyway.

And no, Mr X and Mr pink.. I never give names to anybody..
 
Mr.X said:
I disagree.

HCG can and should be used PCT, especially with tren/deca cycles.

Read this information by jenetic
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

HCG + nolvadex is a fairly standard PCT. However, some members here had a hard time recovering with HCG + nolvadex only, so they've had to resort to HCG + nolvadex + clomid.
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X, I'm confused which ain't hard to do anyway. But I've read Jenetics pct article numerous times in the last couple of days let alone the billion times I've read it since I first saw it. It says to start hcg use as well as nolva and/or clomid 5-10 days after your last shot of long estered aas. If that info is followed are you not still ON especially if you are doing something like test cyp and you start Jenetic's pct on day 5 after the last test cyp shot????? Or am I splitting hairs about being on cycle and the overlap of pct.
 
Neither way is wrong, or else we would have a lot of eunochs on this site. lol There are plenty of guys here who use the Jenetic/DrJMW system (HCG at end of cycle or PCT) and plenty who use the Swale system (small amounts of HCG throughout cycle). Seems like both methods work fine. I've never done it DURING PCT, but I've done it during and and the end of my cycle with perfect results.
 
mendo said:
Neither way is wrong, or else we would have a lot of eunochs on this site. lol There are plenty of guys here who use the Jenetic/DrJMW system (HCG at end of cycle or PCT) and plenty who use the Swale system (small amounts of HCG throughout cycle). Seems like both methods work fine. I've never done it DURING PCT, but I've done it during and and the end of my cycle with perfect results.
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The Jenetic protocol is something tried and true for me. And if I was prone to doing a long cycle of say at least 16 wks say test/deca I would feel the need to do a mid cycle hcg/nolva protocol as well, as I could be a guy who doesn't recover easily for any number of reasons. The mid cycle is a low dose short run also in Jenetic's protocols for getting a jump on correcting atrophy. I've been trying to make sense of hcg usage as to how much and when but, as soon as I thought I was beginning to understand why people use it in the different ways they do I read something that makes me feel like I'm going in a senseless circle. I have found at least 8 different ways of using it in the last week alone. Right now the only way I can make sense of it all is by having the opinion that one type of usage and dosage works for some but other protocols work for others. How do you get to the point of having confidence in the way that is best to use hcg for you without going the trial and error route which could result in pct failures or Leydig Cell damage?
 
g mac said:
How do you get to the point of having confidence in the way that is best to use hcg for you without going the trial and error route which could result in pct failures or Leydig Cell damage?
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Don't stress about it so much bro. There is more than one "right way" that has worked fine for guys on here. You'll be fine.
 
mendo said:
Don't stress about it so much bro. There is more than one "right way" that has worked fine for guys on here. You'll be fine.
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Thanks, I'll try to keep in its proper perspective. But, on less confusing days it's one the most interesting things I spend time researching (hcg and pct). I'm not a scientific type guy but I like to be informed. I usually just figure out what works for me and if it makes sense I go with it. Keeping it simple has worked for me for years.
 
ilpadrone said:
Thanks all for the posts so far. Sounds like things are still the same and there is no old fashioned hcg crap. That's what I thought too. Just wanted to throw it out and hear what the elite thinks about this..

After my last 12+ weeks hgh/test/deca/win/clen/t3 cycle in 2005 I started HCG on the 9th day after the last Test/Deca shot. I used a simple 3x1250iu/wk for 3 weeks schedule with nolvadex 40mg's/ed and after that 4
extra weeks of 20mg ed nolvadex. Recovery of balls and hormones went quite ok, but not really fast to be honest. Balls shrinked more then I expected
during this cycle so next time there will be mid-hcg usage for me to try
during such a cycle.

I think I could have added some clomid and one extra week of hcg's to be a bit faster maybe, but I hadn't any new cycle in mind anyway.

And no, Mr X and Mr pink.. I never give names to anybody..
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I do think I know who you are talking about
 
MR Pink said:
I do think I know who you are talking about
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If you are that man I was talking about that made the statement, I must give
my apologies for the misused 'guru' term in my post. I used that b/c I couldn't believe someone knew better then mini guru myself..lol.
And next time it'll be without any fiction ok.
 
ilpadrone said:
If you are that man I was talking about that made the statement, I must give
my apologies for the misused 'guru' term in my post. I used that b/c I couldn't believe someone knew better then mini guru myself..lol.
And next time it'll be without any fiction ok.
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No I am not him ....but I think I know who you are talking about...
 
INNOCENT said:
i am a true belieiver in using hcg mid cycle and durring pct. at least it works for me
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Found it to be the best recovery for long cycles of moderately high dosages.
 
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