HCG Mixing - Help

[Jay5001]

Ok so im blasting HCG for 2 weeks before PCT this is the first time ive used HCG.

I have Oregon Pregnyl 5000UI kit.

It comes with 2 vials the powder and water

I gently took the water (1ml) and mixed it in the vial, the problem was i couldnt put it in my slin pins because i want to reuse, and i cant change the needles on them. So i drew the mixed solution into a 3ml barrel, But of course this is now so tedious to dose... Since i have 1ml and i want to inject around 1500IU everytime.. basically it looks like .2ml = 1000UI so i injected .2ml IM in my glute.. Now ive stored the barrel with a new needle in the fridge.

How long will this keep as im not sure the water you get with the kit is Bacto water?

 

[Jay5001]

Anyone? Need to know before iuse it again

 

[noodles1010]

The solution that comes with hcg normally is not bac water. If it is it will boldly state "bacteriostatic water"
As far as dosing...
5000 iu + 10ml of water = 500iu per ml
So for 1500iu you need 1.5cc hcg mixed
For I.m. Injection you should use a 1"-1.5" 23g pin. Slin pins are better for sub-q inj.
That help?

 

[noodles1010]

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Bac water

 

[Jay5001]

Thank you!

So I should use this hcg pretty quick then? Sterile water keeps for 5 days right?

Is it a good idea blasting 1 week before pct and running 1 week into PCT

 

[noodles1010]

Hcg in bac water can stay useful for 1 month if refrigerated. Anything longer it renders itself useless.
It's most potent in the first two weeks and begins to decline after that. So my dr tells me.

 

[noodles1010]

Blast for two weeks. 1500iu 2x a week from the day of your last test pin. I like to use hmg 75iu eod while doing this. I find it makes for a better recovery.
Clomid starts after your two weeks of hcg/hmg pre pct.

 

[stevesmi]

noodles covered it all for you.

really simple way to mix it is get an empty vial. mix 1CC of bac water with your powder.. be gentle. then inject it into the empty vial along with another 4CC's of bac water.

now you got 5ML's of mix out of a 5000iu batch for example. then just inject half a CC for 500iu's or 1CC for 1000iu's. its really not complicated, this is simple math that you learn in middle school

 

[Zyglamail]

Hcg in bac water can stay useful for 1 month if refrigerated. Anything longer it renders itself useless.

Thats not correct, it will stay viable for 3+ months with BAW and refrigeration. The law requires HCG manufacturers however to list a very short shelf life once mixed.

 

[noodles1010]

Thats not correct, it will stay viable for 3+ months with BAW and refrigeration. The law requires HCG manufacturers however to list a very short shelf life once mixed.

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30 days bro... Anything longer is not worth using at all. It's no coincidence that its all over the web saying the same thing. Found this in 3 seconds, if I actually looked I could prolly find something factual.
In my experience I always found that listening to results is better than anything.

 

[monk32]

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Bac water

i have the same bac water but unfortunately the expiry date stated is 2013 09.
i only noticed this after planning to mix my hcg this week....can bac water still be used after expiry date??

 

[Zyglamail]

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30 days bro... Anything longer is not worth using at all. It's no coincidence that its all over the web saying the same thing. Found this in 3 seconds, if I actually looked I could prolly find something factual.
In my experience I always found that listening to results is better than anything.

Show me actual lab data done on name brand HCG thats 35 days old proving its worthless and I will believe you.

All your posting is the same regurgitated bro science derived from a few limited sources.

The FDA requirements are very strict in terms of potency so generally long before a drugs potency fades due to age its declared expired.

There is absolutely no benefit to big pharma for going against the FDA, hell, they probably paid the FDA to implement these limits. It just means more sales for them.

Ive worked with quite a few doctors who have done lab work on clients using HCG thats been mixed for as long as 90 days and its still having similar impact on client lab results as those using fresh HCG.

Does it lose some potency? Sure it does, but its far from worthless after 30 days. Even my own testicles can attest to the usability of HCG mixed with BAW past 30 days.

If you or others want to buy into it, thats fine, its not my money and I am sure big pharma and your sources thank you for the extra business.

 

[noodles1010]

Show me actual lab data done on name brand HCG thats 35 days old proving its worthless and I will believe you.

All your posting is the same regurgitated bro science derived from a few limited sources.

The FDA requirements are very strict in terms of potency so generally long before a drugs potency fades due to age its declared expired.

There is absolutely no benefit to big pharma for going against the FDA, hell, they probably paid the FDA to implement these limits. It just means more sales for them.

Ive worked with quite a few doctors who have done lab work on clients using HCG thats been mixed for as long as 90 days and its still having similar impact on client lab results as those using fresh HCG.

Does it lose some potency? Sure it does, but its far from worthless after 30 days. Even my own testicles can attest to the usability of HCG mixed with BAW past 30 days.

If you or others want to buy into it, thats fine, its not my money and I am sure big pharma and your sources thank you for the extra business.

I can send you my actual bloods done using (estimating here) 60 day old hcg vs a fresh batch. My numbers jumped using the fresh batch. It was also in pct. so why would someone cycling use sub par meds while being shut down?! You want to recover correct and strong right?! Does it work still for your avg joe, probably, but for a guy that just ran a gram a week for 24 weeks, I want primo quality and strength helping me recover...
you gotta wait until Monday though cause all the paper work is in my office.

Also you can read that right on the inside of my PRESCRIBED hcg. Not to mention, like I stated before all the FACTUAL shit I posted already. I was wrong to say its "worthless " but it does lose a lot of its potency, and even you agree with that. So again, for the 10.00 for 10,000 ius, why bother using 30 day+ sub par mixed hcg instead of a fresh batch? You use sub par stuff you get sub par results. And I sure as fuck wouldn't recommend it to anyone coming off cycle. Avg joe, sure.
So rather than me jump through hoops to show what me and 1,000,000 other people can pull up or show you, show me, us, factual labs that prove what your saying... Cause I've NEVER seen anything that says its good 90 days. I've shown you factual info already, what you are saying In all reality is the "regurgitated bro science" you've come to despise.
So rather than bicker like a couple of high school girls, show us FACTUAL info that supports what your saying.

 

[Zyglamail]

To further support my claim that actual expiration dates are more financially driven than factually driven, all unconstituted HCG has an expiration date as well, generally 1 to 3 years.

The World Health Organization did extensive testing on the degradation of HCG that was STORED FOR 23 YEARS at varying temperatures ranging from freezing to 98 deg F and after all that time showed no significant loss in activity.

As far as your numbers jumping post cycle due to HCG use is not the same as testing the actual potency of HCG and could be a result of any number of things.

Keep in mind im not talking about using 6 month old reconstituted HCG but 35-45 days old hardly makes it garbage.

 

[noodles1010]

I agree. Like I said I was wrong for saying that. As for 90 day old tho?? Idk man. I'd really like to see something factual just cause I like knowing shit like that. You very well may be right... But you might be wrong too lol this has been a debate all over. Like I said earlier, I can only go off my results. Please believe I don't believe any of the garbage the FDA shoves down our throat. Population control... Their all out to kill us IMO. Lol

 

[noodles1010]

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That's what I found in my box

 

[Zyglamail]

I agree. Like I said I was wrong for saying that. As for 90 day old tho?? Idk man. I'd really like to see something factual just cause I like knowing shit like that. You very well may be right... But you might be wrong too lol this has been a debate all over. Like I said earlier, I can only go off my results. Please believe I don't believe any of the garbage the FDA shoves down our throat. Population control... Their all out to kill us IMO. Lol

I would say from my own experience 90 days is defiantly on the outer end of its usefulness. If your using it for PCT then you shouldnt be running it for that long anyway and your dosing is likely such that a vial would be gone long before then so its kind of a mute point for most.

Just keep in mind there is a huge financial impact for short term expiration of products. The obvious one is if you have to toss some because its "too old" and buy more it makes the company money. The less obvious one is it makes sure the results of the products use are not influenced by potency degradation.

Its bad for business if people start using a product thats lost potency. The clinical ramifications (depending on the drug) could be the difference between life and death. So, by significantly erroring on the side of caution they can prevent bad press/opinions by making sure only the most potent products are used.