HCG is this to much

[flyingjer]

mid cycle HCG 2000iu's eod for 2 weeks, is this too much

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Yes

 

[flyingjer]

okay, any suggestions, 1000ius eod 1500 ius eod

 

[macrophage69alpha]

depends on what you are using, as well as ancillarly drugs (ai's or serms)..

 

[krishna]

I read a medical report saying it's useless to inject hcg more than once every 4-5 days. Based on this finding, I did 1000iu's every 4 days for 3 weeks at the end of my last cycle and recovered brilliantly! It was like 25 weeks switching compounds half way through too.

 

[Ozz2001]

mid cycle HCG 2000iu's eod for 2 weeks, is this too much

C&P

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to
500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle.
This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more
sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to
have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big
fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both
therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase
activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells
of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is
permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary
(hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn't enough to stave off
testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week
(as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn't mind
having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that
have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they
usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day.
Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to
appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce
testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly
rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack
of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or
Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid,
20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a
concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That
is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over
estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of
course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along
the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the
possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to
simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the
other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM's
at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was
enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of
AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures).
Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as
well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end
of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further
inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone
preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there
is no such thing as a 'bridge'. Just because you are not inhibiting
the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not
suppressing it at all. IOW, you can't fool the body - it is smarter
than you are.

Take it for what its worth...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM's
at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was
enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of
AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures).
Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as
well.

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agree with the first, there is no evidence that stackin serms is better.

as far as SERM usage, if it nolva 3 weeks of use is 7-9 weeks of effects.

as a note- there is still considerable debate as to which is more effective nolva or clomid. the clinicals say clomid, though it likely just varies between individuals. what can be said is that clomid does not cause sexual disfunction, particularly loss of libido, which nolva has been linked to (30% in clinicals).--- quite the opposite with clomid..

 

[flyingjer]

yeah i am using 40mg of nolva ed and 2.5mg of femara ed, very estrogen sides prone, this amount is just doing the job, and libido is fine, already got my PCT setup clomid, nolva, HCG and a-dex

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you dont need nolva and letro. if you feel you have to use nolva use a low dose 5mg per day

you also dont need nolva and clomid for PCT.

you should use aromasin or AIFM instread of arimidex in PCT.

 

[Ozz2001]

agree with the first, there is no evidence that stackin serms is better.

as far as SERM usage, if it nolva 3 weeks of use is 7-9 weeks of effects.

as a note- there is still considerable debate as to which is more effective nolva or clomid. the clinicals say clomid, though it likely just varies between individuals. what can be said is that clomid does not cause sexual disfunction, particularly loss of libido, which nolva has been linked to (30% in clinicals).--- quite the opposite with clomid..

Thought id share some reading..Point in my eye is you really dont need high doses of hcg.I do fine on 500 every 3 or 4 days.If you turn them to peanuts well 1000 for sure..