HCG- During or After Cycle?

[Gretak9]

I've been researching the use of HCG and I can't decide upon the dosage pattern. I've seen reccomendations for basically three different ways to use:
1. Only after your cycle
2. Midway through and After your cycle.
3. Twice a week during your cycle ie. every sat & Sun. (I"m leaning toward this one for my cycle)

I"v read not to use it for more than 4 weeks at a time but that was when prescribed at 5000iu per week. I've also seen 500-1000iu every day for 2 weeks. Then I've seen the 3000iu on day 1 and 6 then 1500iu on day 12 and 18. Then clomid.
Can anyone give me some results of using it every saturday and sunday during the cycle. I can see the benifit of not allowing your htpa to shut down to begin with but I'm not sure that 1000iu per week will prevent that from happening.

 

[Gretak9]

Anyone?

 

[diet4ever]

There is another posting of LAWNSAVER about hcg. In this posting he is referring to another board (www.anasci.com) where you can find an extensive discussion about hcg.

At this moment I'm doing 500iu ED post cycle, the boys are almost back to their normal size. So I will stop after approx 10 days.

My next cycle I will go for 500iu every Saturday and Sunday during the whole cycle.

 

[Pebcak]

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Pebcak

 

[KA-BAR]

past few cycles I have not let them shrink much. Once i notice them going i start 500iu ed for about 3-6 days then come back off untill i notice shrinkage again. Post cyle I run 500iu 10-14 days along with clomid, proviron and armidex.

 

[lawnsaver]

The main purpose of doing HCG 2 time a week throughout is so the atrophy of the testicles would not have a chance to set in.

Using HCG the last 2 weeks of a cycle usually brings them back, but in my case it didnt. I have atrophy still after 2.5 years.

Why wait to fix something that is broke, if you can prevent it from breaking!

If we dont give the atrophy time to set in, we wont have to revert it at the end!

It make perfect sense!

 

[RoNiN]

I have done #1 and #2 successfully. MY last course was 5 months and did no anti-e's post-cycle and after 3 months clean i have no estrogren problems and although i'm dieting now and losing weight i had most of my strength and size before the diet while clean.

I would never do HCG longer then 2 weeks and i would give at least a 4 week break between HCG usage.

I take 1000iu-2000iu ( depending on how much i have ) every 5 days until 2 weeks is over.

 

[jacopomiller]

I've never done HCG, but I have been thinking about it and researching a lot on it lately. The jury seems to be out on whether it should be used mid or post cycle. I've concluded that I will use it mid cycle if I start to notice significant shrinkage, if not I'll save it until post cycle [but pre clomid therapy]. Why try to fix something that's not broken?

 

[Triple J]

There is another option, slightly different than your #2, to use it mid and at the end of your cycle, rather than post-cycle. The theory is HCG after the cycle will lead to further suppression because of the higher than normal test levels it will spike. Therefore you use it just prior to coming off so your balls are full-sized and ready to go as soon as you come off.

 

[Gretak9]

TRiple J, You're exactly right, that's what I meant but didn't express clearly. I agree with lawnsaver that it's better to prevent the atrophy in the first place but I have read not to use the hcg for more than 4 weeks at a time. (The reports that said this were also prescribing it at 5000iu/wk - So that may be the reason. Perhaps at 500iu on sat and again on sunday you could go say 10 weeks without having a problem My goal is to prevent the balls from shrinking because my girlfriend is 100% against juice(I know she's ignorant and a hypocrite she's on birthcontrol that they market to fight acne not that she needs it for that but that's a whole different thread as to why steroids are illeagle. Anyway. Since my I often find my girlfriend with my nuts in her mouth she would definately notice if they were shrinking. I have taken clomid eod during a previous deca only cycle (300mg/wk - 8wks) and didn't notice any shrikage. I may go that route this time however I'll be using alot more gear on this cycle:500mg Test E, 300mg Deca, dbol 30mg/day wk1-5 and winny 50mg/day weeks 7-12. Test and deca about 10ks. Actually test 10wks and my 10ml QV deca bottle only yeilded 9wks at 300mg/wk. I've got 2 5000iu of hcg on the way. I'll be running .5mg of liquidex every day and am thinking about clomid eod during and standard post cycle routine. If I notice shrinkage with the clomid eod then I'll hit the hcg around week5 and then again at week 12. That way i't'll be 2 weeks after my last test shot, 3 weeks after my last deca and a day or two after my last dose of winny.
Sorry my post ran a little long but I get excited about this kind of stuff.

 

[Gretak9]

Sorry for my spelling, I'm the product of public education.

 

[drgoodbody]

An...

ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure....

I run HCG for 5 days (1000iu/day) after every 4 weeks on a cycle. Current cycle has nearly 2g of AAS per week and I could not image waiting til the end of my cycle (...end? what end?...) to try and recover. I also run Nolva and Arimidex daily to keep estrogen in check.

DrG

 

[lawnsaver]

If you take 500ius for 2 days once a week, you can take it for extended peroids of time!

God, this is like trying to tell people you can drink winny for the first time!!

If you dont believe what I am trying to get accross, email Swale!
He is an endcrinologist who specializes in this field!

"Why try to fix something that's not broken?"...Do you wait for your engine to seize before you get the oil changed or do you change the oil on a regular basis so that you dont damage your engine??

What kind of comment is that!!

Let me try and make it simple/stupid!!

Using 500ius 2x a week throughout a cycle will prevent atrophy!
Using 500ius 2x a week will not desensitze yoru testicles from LH
Using 500ius 2x a week is a better choice, because SOMETIMES when atrophy sets in, it will not revert with the use of HCG( It happened to me )


I am not saying that taking it mid cycle and/or the last 2 weeks of your cycle before clomid doesnt work, I am just saying that taking small evenly dispersed doses is a better choice.

Another example: What is better 1 500mg shot of sus or 2, 250mg shots of sus a week?

Answer: 2 shots, because it keeps blood levels more constant!

It just makes sense to do HCG preventively over waiting to revert atrophy. The doses recomended are far to low to have any negative effects.

Again, I'm not saying the other methods are not effective, as I have used them in the past and they worked. BUT, there was the one time that I couldnt fix the problem. If I was using HCG in small dose throughout myt cycle, I would have never got irreversible testicular atrophy!

It can happen to anyone!!

 

[Gretak9]

Would 1000iu once per week for 10 weeks be sufficient or would 500iu's on Saturday and Sunday be that much better. If I remember correctly HCG has a half life of like 5 days.

 

[diet4ever]

LAWNSAVER, I'm with you. I like the idea of preventing atrophy. I've read the postings of SWALE, and this convinced me to try it my self during my next cycle.

Gretak9, why 1000iu once a week why not split it in 2 times 500iu, I like to keep doses as low as possible per injection.

 

[bazilbb]

clearifying HCG further

Firstly i agree with LAWNSAVER on use of HCG.
Thats why i consider HCG a must in all cycles, also following will clarify whether using HCG post cycle is good or bad idea:
taken from muscletalk

the ideal situation is that both HCG and any AAS in your system should get out of your system at the same time/day. if HCG is delayed then it is in a way keeping u ON even when no AAS is there(this is why most dont recommend at the absolute end of cycle). as HCG gets out of system in 3-5 days. so u should plan its use according to that. this is pretty much what most veterans say. using in between the cycle only has benefit of keeping the balls in action(which is a big worry BTW).
now where i somehow disagree with most veterans and agree with u is that if by chance or mistake or any possible reason u couldnt inject HCG at right time, or somehow it stayed in your system for more time then u had wanted(meaning AAS was zero but HCG was still in your system), does that mean it should not have been used altogether, or does it mean that u have risked some benefit or got any worse if u had not HCG at all???
NO, something is better then nothing in this case IMHO. all it means that u were ON for few more days, which isnt a big deal AT ALL if u c the damage to benefit ratio. in your case ALL it means that u used AAS for <8 wks instead of 7. SO........ NOTHING. 8 wk cycles r norm. what i know is that any guy on exact 7 wk cycle as yours will recover later then u if he dont use HCG so whats the point of not using it? or thinking that if i have missed the right timing i should not use it at all.
one more thing, the general consensus on all the boards does not directly opposes to what i says but somehow discourages HCG use post cycle which i think is not appropriate. and should not b followed. i say again, in this case ANYTHING IS BETTER THEN NOTHING. period.
only point of taking HCG is to make your testis responsive to endogenous LH. the point is that even if we dont take any clomid or nolva our hypothalamus and pituitary will bounce back in about 3 wks, bit not testis, it can take upto 10 months depending on your cycle and genes. thats why HCG is IMO a important post cycle drug.
one more point, if u didnt use any HCG in any cycle longer then 3 wks, u most probably have atrophied testis, which means that single HCG injection MIGHT not make your testis responsive to endogenous LH. so u better use low dose HCG for 10-14 day period to b safe

barpk

 

[bazilbb]

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