Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below What is the appropriate doseage of HCG at the end of an 8 or 10 week cycle? Is is sufficient to take 2 shots (at different times) during one week towards the end of the cycle? Is 5000IU enough dose to administer, or should more be used? Keep in mind that HCG is rather expensive, and to use too much would cost as much as the whole damn cycle.
HCG doseage?
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Bulldog_10
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Hey bros,
After you answer his question could you also tell me about taking hcg in the middle of a cycle. I'm in week 3 of a 12 week cycle and want to shoot some hcg in week 6.
Sust 500mg/wk 1-9
winny 50mg/ED 1-6
anavar 40mg/ED 7-12
arimidex .25mg/ED 1-17
clomid 15-17
Thanks alot bros!
Don't answer my question until you've answered eric's please....Don't want to steal his thread!
B-10
After you answer his question could you also tell me about taking hcg in the middle of a cycle. I'm in week 3 of a 12 week cycle and want to shoot some hcg in week 6.
Sust 500mg/wk 1-9
winny 50mg/ED 1-6
anavar 40mg/ED 7-12
arimidex .25mg/ED 1-17
clomid 15-17
Thanks alot bros!
Don't answer my question until you've answered eric's please....Don't want to steal his thread!
B-10
obelix-220
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for the 1st Q : the dosage is 5000iu after u finish the cycle and another shot after 2 weeks , thats all
Q 2 : dont take hcg in the middle of the cycle coz it adds some more estrogen , plus u already do clomid ,keep it for after cycle
Q 2 : dont take hcg in the middle of the cycle coz it adds some more estrogen , plus u already do clomid ,keep it for after cycle
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Yellowbomber
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disagree with you Obelix, HCG should be injected every 5 days, dosage should be 2500iu and used for 3 weeks before Clomid therapy.
Also should be used at mid-cycle beteen weeks 5,6, it will make more gains from your cycle
Also should be used at mid-cycle beteen weeks 5,6, it will make more gains from your cycle
anabolic24/7
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Ok , I'm disagreeing with all of the above. 
At the end of cycle, if you must use hcg start at the first day of clomid treatment @ 1000iu a day for 10 days. By spreading out the shot's you can avoid the spike in estrogen caused by high dose hcg.
Bulldog you don't need it on a 12 week cycle.
At the end of cycle, if you must use hcg start at the first day of clomid treatment @ 1000iu a day for 10 days. By spreading out the shot's you can avoid the spike in estrogen caused by high dose hcg.
Bulldog you don't need it on a 12 week cycle.
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Yellowbomber
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only 1000ius
for ten days
HCG has a duration of 5 days, nevertheless what works for me should't work for everyone, cause we are all different
for ten days
HCG has a duration of 5 days, nevertheless what works for me should't work for everyone, cause we are all different
anabolic24/7
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Yellowbomber, this info is credited to ulter, who consults with his doctor on these matters. I have followed these instructions, and by the 7th day I was swinging nicely. I had been on for 22 weeks, and fina was in there for 11.
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Yellowbomber
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22 weeks!!! huh that's a long time
look what I have found
HCG, is not an anabolic/an-drogenic steroid but a natural protein hormone which develops in the placenta of a pregnant woman. HCG is manufac-tured from the urine of pregnant women since it is excreted in un-changed form from the blood via the woman's urine, passing through the kidneys. The commercially available HCG is sold as a dry substance and can be used both in men and women. in women injectable HCG allows for ovulation since it influences the last stages of the development of the ovum, thus stimulating ovulation. In a man HCG stimulates pro-duction of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone produc-tion. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testoster-one production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing ste-roid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treat-ment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. Those who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular in-tervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.
Most athletes, however, use HCG at the end of a treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training." A precondition, however, is that the steroid intake or dosage be reduced slowly and evenly before taking HCG. Although HCG causes a quick and significant increase of the endogenic plasma- testosterone level, unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in re-estab-lishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a-result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use." For this reason experienced athletes often take Clomid and Clenbuterol following HCG intake or they immediately begin an-other steroid treatment. Some take HCG merely to get off the "steroids" for at least two to three weeks.
HCG package insert states clearly that HCG "has no known effect of fat mobilization, appetite or sense of hunger, or body fat distribution." It further states, "HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity, it does not increase fat losses beyond that resulting from caloric restriction. 6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function.
HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. Male athletes also report more frequent erections and an increased sexual desire. In high doses it can cause acne vulgaris and the storing of minerals and water. The last point must especially be observed since the water retention which is possible through the use of HCG could give the muscle system a puffy and watery appear-ance. Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG.
HCG's form of administration is also unusual. The substance choriongonadotropin is a white powdery freeze-dried substance which is usually used as a compress. Each package, for each HCG ampule, includes another ampule with an injection solution containing isotonic sodium chloride. This liq-uid, after both ampules have been opened in a sterile manner, is injected into the HCG ampule and mixed with the dried substance. The solution is then ready for use and should be injected intra-muscularly. If only part of the substance is injected the residual solution should be stored in the refrigerator. It is not necessary to store the unmixed HCG in the refrigerator; however, it should be kept out of light and below a temperature of 25* C.
HCG is a relatively expensive compound. It costs approx. $36 -45 for 3 ampules of 5000 I.U.
look what I have found
HCG, is not an anabolic/an-drogenic steroid but a natural protein hormone which develops in the placenta of a pregnant woman. HCG is manufac-tured from the urine of pregnant women since it is excreted in un-changed form from the blood via the woman's urine, passing through the kidneys. The commercially available HCG is sold as a dry substance and can be used both in men and women. in women injectable HCG allows for ovulation since it influences the last stages of the development of the ovum, thus stimulating ovulation. In a man HCG stimulates pro-duction of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone produc-tion. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testoster-one production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing ste-roid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treat-ment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. Those who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular in-tervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.
Most athletes, however, use HCG at the end of a treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training." A precondition, however, is that the steroid intake or dosage be reduced slowly and evenly before taking HCG. Although HCG causes a quick and significant increase of the endogenic plasma- testosterone level, unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in re-estab-lishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a-result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use." For this reason experienced athletes often take Clomid and Clenbuterol following HCG intake or they immediately begin an-other steroid treatment. Some take HCG merely to get off the "steroids" for at least two to three weeks.
HCG package insert states clearly that HCG "has no known effect of fat mobilization, appetite or sense of hunger, or body fat distribution." It further states, "HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity, it does not increase fat losses beyond that resulting from caloric restriction. 6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function.
HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. Male athletes also report more frequent erections and an increased sexual desire. In high doses it can cause acne vulgaris and the storing of minerals and water. The last point must especially be observed since the water retention which is possible through the use of HCG could give the muscle system a puffy and watery appear-ance. Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG.
HCG's form of administration is also unusual. The substance choriongonadotropin is a white powdery freeze-dried substance which is usually used as a compress. Each package, for each HCG ampule, includes another ampule with an injection solution containing isotonic sodium chloride. This liq-uid, after both ampules have been opened in a sterile manner, is injected into the HCG ampule and mixed with the dried substance. The solution is then ready for use and should be injected intra-muscularly. If only part of the substance is injected the residual solution should be stored in the refrigerator. It is not necessary to store the unmixed HCG in the refrigerator; however, it should be kept out of light and below a temperature of 25* C.
HCG is a relatively expensive compound. It costs approx. $36 -45 for 3 ampules of 5000 I.U.
anabolic24/7
New member
hmmmm
I do believe you are copying from WAR. That book is outdated and full of both useful and incorrect information. WAR also advacates pyramiding of AS which we all know is not beneficial.
Becareful, because it is in print does not make it so.
I do believe you are copying from WAR. That book is outdated and full of both useful and incorrect information. WAR also advacates pyramiding of AS which we all know is not beneficial.
Becareful, because it is in print does not make it so.
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Yellowbomber
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nop, it's Anabolic review.
I've been using this for years and it always has worked for me,
I also believe in pyramiding, why change something which works for you, example, my biceps grow faster with BarbellCurls and Preacher Curls but don't work with alternate Dumbell Curls, so that why change?
I've been using this for years and it always has worked for me,
I also believe in pyramiding, why change something which works for you, example, my biceps grow faster with BarbellCurls and Preacher Curls but don't work with alternate Dumbell Curls, so that why change?
anabolic24/7
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I'm not trying to change your beliefs,lol, but you should keep an open mind. Science an research discover new 'facts' all the time that make the previous 'facts' obsolete.
In the first part of this century doctors advocated smoking.
My point on this is the advise comes from a doctor who specializes in patients on AS, now, in the present, with all information available to him including blood work.
In the first part of this century doctors advocated smoking.
My point on this is the advise comes from a doctor who specializes in patients on AS, now, in the present, with all information available to him including blood work.
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Yellowbomber
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it makes sense Anabolic, will see perhaps next cycle I'll experiment a bit
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Yellowbomber
Guest
Anabolic, have you tried to do 2 stacks for a cycle.
Let's say Winny/Test DECA/Dbol
Let's say Winny/Test DECA/Dbol
As stated many times before if you use hcg for its LH properties and Armidex for its FSH promoteing properties mid cycle you can actualy raise natual test levels and give your cycle and Mr. johnson and his 2 friends a much added boost, Also the armidex will work great with the hcg and prevent the estrogen surge. It is my understanding that hcg mimicks LH so is reconized as such by the testes. I don't feel that it is effective post cycle for restoreing the htpa and may also hinder the return of normal htpa. I think armidex and clomid taken with creatine are a much better choice.
MikeyLikesJuice
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i have never used hcg, learned about it here, but from what I heard it is suppose to be used like this, if this is bad please let me know
1-10cycle
11hcg 5000
12hcg 5000
then clomid therapy for 3 weeks
correct me if Im worng or this is bad, as iM not experienced with it yellow and anabolics thanks
1-10cycle
11hcg 5000
12hcg 5000
then clomid therapy for 3 weeks
correct me if Im worng or this is bad, as iM not experienced with it yellow and anabolics thanks
anabolic24/7
New member
Mickey, their are many different opinions on proper use.
I posted what I've been told based on a doctors opinion who deals with this ed.
I posted what I've been told based on a doctors opinion who deals with this ed.
MikeyLikesJuice
New member
so do you think this is a good way also, cause I m thinking about trying it.
anabolic24/7
New member
Mickey, search this on Anabolic Fitness. There is a good deal of knowledgable info regarding this on that board.
It will help with your decision.
It will help with your decision.
MikeyLikesJuice
New member
i know about the search, I just wanted to hear what you had to say cause you talked to a doctor about it, and if he said anything about the way I said it. I wanna hear from what a doctor who works with as said about it.
anabolic24/7
New member
Your not listening, search AF, not this board. That is were I got my idea's. Click on the link in my sig line.
I didn't talk to the doctor, ulter did. He is a mod on AF.
I didn't talk to the doctor, ulter did. He is a mod on AF.
MikeyLikesJuice
New member
ok my fault, sorry
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Yellowbomber
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any more knowledge available???
yellow bomber
I borrowed your info you posted about HCG (copy/paste)
i am borrowing it for mr-h board I will of course give full credit to you. just thought some fellas would find it useful.
anabolic 24/7 i'd like to borrow your theory about spreading dose to avoid estro spike also.
You Guys Kick mega ass, i love to see professionals at work!
HAHA
I borrowed your info you posted about HCG (copy/paste)
i am borrowing it for mr-h board I will of course give full credit to you. just thought some fellas would find it useful.
anabolic 24/7 i'd like to borrow your theory about spreading dose to avoid estro spike also.
You Guys Kick mega ass, i love to see professionals at work!
HAHA
obelix-220
New member
i just did a shot today !!
i was talking about the 5000IU amps !
u cant inject 2 amps in less than 2 weeks !
if u want to split or have some 1500amps its ok to inject every 5 days ,
also try to have some anti estrogen while injecting hcg ,
i was talking about the 5000IU amps !
u cant inject 2 amps in less than 2 weeks !
if u want to split or have some 1500amps its ok to inject every 5 days ,
also try to have some anti estrogen while injecting hcg ,
obelix
obolex,
It is very advisable to be using novla prov or arimidex while using HCG,n it will raise testo as well as estro levels if used without, this is the only thing i didn't understand what you were getting at for not using this mid cycle. you can indeed use it mid cycle to get your natural stuff flowin' and the anti-e's you should already be using will curtail estro- being created, or in novla's case compete for receptors and block it out.
obolex,
It is very advisable to be using novla prov or arimidex while using HCG,n it will raise testo as well as estro levels if used without, this is the only thing i didn't understand what you were getting at for not using this mid cycle. you can indeed use it mid cycle to get your natural stuff flowin' and the anti-e's you should already be using will curtail estro- being created, or in novla's case compete for receptors and block it out.
