HCG and the like

[Wraith]

Any evidence that HCG may elevate T levels for a sustained amount of time, i.e. 6mo to 1yr after administration?

 

[Wraith]

C'mon, anybody?

 

[Stillgoing]

I don't know of any. I have used HCG effectively along with nolvadex and clomid to increase test levels that were suppressed due to previous gear use. I don't believe it would increase natural test above baseline.

 

[Wraith]

I've done three small cycles, and have been clean for over a year. But I never used HCG, just clomid and nolva. Turns out my T levels are on the low side - 354. I am wondering if their would be any theraputic value to doing a cycle of HCG. Some one mentioned that it takes a long time for HPTA to recover so I am wondering. I should note, after my second cycle of sust250 I crashed hard and didn't have any schedule items at the end. Although it was a light cycle of 250mg every week for 8 weeks. I don't want to go the HRT route unless I really have too.

 

[Stillgoing]

I've done three small cycles, and have been clean for over a year. But I never used HCG, just clomid and nolva. Turns out my T levels are on the low side - 354. I am wondering if their would be any theraputic value to doing a cycle of HCG. Some one mentioned that it takes a long time for HPTA to recover so I am wondering. I should note, after my second cycle of sust250 I crashed hard and didn't have any schedule items at the end. Although it was a light cycle of 250mg every week for 8 weeks. I don't want to go the HRT route unless I really have too.

How long has it been since you ended your last cycle? How old are you?

 

[Wraith]

18mo since last cycle
33 yrs old

 

[Wraith]

I found the answer to my question finally through some research. Appearently HCG still throws HPTA off, it raises test production temperarily but an adjustment period will still ensue. In other words it only delays the 'crash' after steroid use and lessons it. It's only real use is to prevent/reverse testicular atrophy. I am fucked 7 ways from Sunday. I don't think it was my steroid use that made my levels low but I am convinced it did not help, and it does appear that their are many cases of x-body builders who suffer from low test levels long after the use of roids. I know that is going to incite a lot of flames but so be it. It is fact. My only course of action is to raise levels through diet and life style changes (no alcohol, no more chees burgers) and supplimentation. Its not the end of the world, and I can still go for that pretty boy model look. If I have to I can seek HRT but that isn't something I am going to jump into.
-Peace