The guys at the local Max Muscle said that it is a pretty solid product. Look it up at www.milehighmuscle.com there is some info on their about it. Epistane is a steroid from what i have heard and that is what Havoc is if this helps you at all.
it works.mild steroidm,with some decent gains.possibly liver toxic but no more than anavar.take 20-30mg for about 3-4weeks tops.ull need proper pct right after.its a dry steroid and has great anti-estrogen powers.