Havoc or?

[Medicman669]

Anyone have any feedback on Havoc or any of the supplements on the ban list scheduled for June 28 as far as having used them and their effectiveness? Was thinking of ordering some Havoc to go with my Dermacrine/Phyto-test stack..but there are so many out there Tren-Extreme..Cyclotren and the like hard to choose one so would greatly appreciate any feedback..thnks : ) also is black china labs a reputable company was thinking of ordering their EPH product..vs using asa..caffeine and an otc bronchaid with ephedrine hcl..

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

If you want a killer stack Id go:

Havoc/CycloTren/Dermacrine/Lipoflame

PCT:
Nolva/Sustain/EndoAmp/Toco8

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

if im limited to either havoc or cyclotren which would you say is best for size/str gains?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I havent accually used cyclotren yet, but Ive been told good things about it plus its nonmethyl so it stacks well with other products.

Im half way into my havoc stack now...

If youre LIMITED, I suggest you get your funds together and run a proper stack and PROPER PCT :-D

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

what noticeable gains are you seeing from your havoc cycle and how come I dont see havoc listed on the to be banned on june 28 list? is it already banned in the US or?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

No the Epthio products are not banned yet but are rumored to soon follow this upcoming ban.

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

I found several sites who are still selling the RPN version this the original is it not? What do you suggest for your pct after using this product would pp's sustain alpha be adequate or would I need to invest in Nolvedex?..liver support ? And again my friend ) what noticeable gains have you noticed?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Im only part way into the stack and most products take a week or so to really kick in, my libido has been up, i dont fatigue while lifting and feel like I can just keep going, I can even blast through cardio workouts and with the added help of Lipoflame even riding my stationary bike gets me soaked. Also my lifts are slightly up and im about 1 1/2 in I thought it was 2 weeks, but it wont be till Saturday.

Get all of your prohormones from JUST ADD MUSCLE, that guy has EVERYTHING and he is a board sponsor! He has RPN havoc and CycloTren.

Also while on cycle use AI Cycle Support and/or Liverator. As for PCT I would get ahold of some NOLVADEX (the real SERM), and PPs Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp, and Toco 8.

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

Coolio..well didn't know that fella sold it ( already ordered it for like $35ish are you following the suggesting serving dose or ? im taking deramcrine and phyto-test atm only been on it few days havent noticed alot so far except energy but that could be from my recent dosage change of concerta from 27mg to 36mg as well the wellbutrin XL 300mg im on as well but ill let everyone know how it goes gonna blast legs tomorrow with heavy breathing squats..I will tell you this the phyto-test is making my perspiration smell like maple-syrup..my wife expressed this or confirmed this on her trip down south this morning )..I read that somewhere but had a hard time believing it..lol..not anymore..I smell like a flippin IHOP..

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

lol.

Im running Havoc at 30mg spaced out through the day. I ran PPs Phyto Test for 6 weeks, Dermacrine up till now, CLA, Lipoflame, now Havoc, then sustain, endo, toco8 and nolva. :-D

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

In all honesty did you notice anything gains and or str wise on the dermacrine and phyto? I know it gets plenty of praise on this site..but sometimes I am skeptical being that PP is one EF's board sponsors as well..I will say that PP's Eric is quite the professional in regards to being very informative and educated when inquiring in terms of feedback and customer service..btw thnks for the input..I have only been posting for a short while and sometimes I don't get the amount of replies and or feedback id like to..so thank you : )

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I love Dermacrine, Im not sure what Phyto did for me and the taste is horrible.

-Legacy

 

[Medicman669]

Anything noticeable or that you could contribute to the dermacrine while on it..I myself have only been on it for bout 3 days..and yes the phyto taste is kinda horrible at the start..yet ive grown to like it, weird I guess..the gov. really disappoints me I work as a paramedic and I can't count the number of times I have picked up folks or not (DOA) regarding Motor Vehicle Accidents (MVC's) that were alcohol related..yet I can't recall ever picking up anyone whether it be at home..nursing home..wrecks or the like that were solely attributed to steroids..prohormones or the supplements listed in the upcoming ban of June 28..the level of hypocrisy in the world we live in *shrugs*..again for the record I hate or well hate is a rather strong word..dislike the f*cking gov..

 

[bigdofba]

Anything noticeable or that you could contribute to the dermacrine while on it..I myself have only been on it for bout 3 days..and yes the phyto taste is kinda horrible at the start..yet ive grown to like it, weird I guess..the gov. really disappoints me I work as a paramedic and I can't count the number of times I have picked up folks or not (DOA) regarding Motor Vehicle Accidents (MVC's) that were alcohol related..yet I can't recall ever picking up anyone whether it be at home..nursing home..wrecks or the like that were solely attributed to steroids..prohormones or the supplements listed in the upcoming ban of June 28..the level of hypocrisy in the world we live in *shrugs*..again for the record I hate or well hate is a rather strong word..dislike the f*cking gov..

I've been using Dermacrine for about two weeks. I'm liking it. My strength gains are going up and I am losing bodyfat too. It's nothing drastic but it's supplementing my routine and diet nicely.

 

[Medicman669]

cool I appreciate the feedback brother