Has anyone here done a cycle WITHOUT test?

[emptywallet]

I have about 10 weeks of rehab left after my last knee surgery. I usually get extremely bloated from just about any amount of test at all, and get gyno at almost the lowest dose possible. I have about three bottles of QV EQ sitting here and Some QV winny. I gained some pudge from the last surgery and I'm just now starting a whole lot of the running and cardioesque rehab portion. I'm curious to possibly running maybe 400-600mgs per week of EQ and maybe 50mg's of the winny ED a week would do? No test. I've never done something without test and I'm curious as to how it would turn out. The goal here would be to preserve some lean mass that I had before my knee surgery and maybe help shed some pudge I have here. I already have my eating and macronutrient ratio's in check so I'm curious as to how a cutter would go without test. My concern comes with the fact that the EQ and winny would shut me down. Ok, now that means I wouldn't even have any natural test floating around either. I would guess that would be a bad idea in trying to lose the A2 fat around my waistline, right? Also this EQ I have, buddy has the same lot and batch, and he says it hurts like HELL. Now I'm no stranger to QV pain, however I was under the impression and from my experience with EQ before, it was very painless. Also if I ran the EQ, 400 or 600? Or is there much difference?

EDIT - Before anyone starts in as well, I have one change to make. I'm thinking of dropping the winny since I don't want my lipid profile to go straight in the shitter. Also, I have my ratios of carbs/fats/protein down pat, and i'm fully aware that there is not such thing as a "cutting steroid". I'd mostly like to get opinions on what would happen if you ran something intending to lose bf, but did not include any test in it, and since you wouldn't happen to have any free test floating around in my case because of the EQ shutting you down, how that would hinder your attempt at losing some bf. I'd be doing the 2 week clen/eca rotation as well during this time.

 

[Maxx Out]

I have about 10 weeks of rehab left after my last knee surgery. I usually get extremely bloated from just about any amount of test at all, and get gyno at almost the lowest dose possible. I have about three bottles of QV EQ sitting here and Some QV winny. I gained some pudge from the last surgery and I'm just now starting a whole lot of the running and cardioesque rehab portion. I'm curious to possibly running maybe 400-600mgs per week of EQ and maybe 50mg's of the winny ED a week would do? No test. I've never done something without test and I'm curious as to how it would turn out. The goal here would be to preserve some lean mass that I had before my knee surgery and maybe help shed some pudge I have here. I already have my eating and macronutrient ratio's in check so I'm curious as to how a cutter would go without test. My concern comes with the fact that the EQ and winny would shut me down. Ok, now that means I wouldn't even have any natural test floating around either. I would guess that would be a bad idea in trying to lose the A2 fat around my waistline, right? Also this EQ I have, buddy has the same lot and batch, and he says it hurts like HELL. Now I'm no stranger to QV pain, however I was under the impression and from my experience with EQ before, it was very painless. Also if I ran the EQ, 400 or 600? Or is there much difference?

EDIT - Before anyone starts in as well, I have one change to make. I'm thinking of dropping the winny since I don't want my lipid profile to go straight in the shitter. Also, I have my ratios of carbs/fats/protein down pat, and i'm fully aware that there is not such thing as a "cutting steroid". I'd mostly like to get opinions on what would happen if you ran something intending to lose bf, but did not include any test in it, and since you wouldn't happen to have any free test floating around in my case because of the EQ shutting you down, how that would hinder your attempt at losing some bf. I'd be doing the 2 week clen/eca rotation as well during this time.

99.9% of my cycles r not test based and when I do use test only high amounts of anti-e's will keep the gyno away. So, yes, I know where u r comming from.

Eq is a great aas, especially combined w/tren, u'll luv the gains!

 

[lucabrasi]

I'm on an eq, winny cycle right now. In week 10 of a 14 weeker. No test. I am having excellent results man, probably the best I've had yet. This is my 4th cycle. I've lost a considerable amount of fat and now that the winny is kicking in, I'm getting hard as hell. I luv this combo.

I'm running 500mg's of EQ per week and 75mg's of winny ED.

I have the same bloat problem with test which is why I wanted to stay away from it on this one.

As far as the pain from the EQ....it's totally painless for me. I feel nothing. I'm not sure about the differnce of 400mg's and 600mg's but I frontloaded the first to weeks with 1000mg's and then to 500mg's per week.

So I think you would be able to lose BF without the test but as you say it really comes down to your diet man.

 

[emptywallet]

Specifically I'm wondering if doing something like EQ alone at a dose along the lines of 400-600mgs per week would limit the amount of fat loss I could achieve and cause some bloating, since there wouldn't be any test involved. At the same time however a calorie deficient diet would be used and I'd be rotating clen, ECA. This is NOT meant to be used to do anything other than allow me to keep some mass I've achieved before the surgery, while allowing me to dip the calories low to remove some pudge and such that I've accumulated. Guys, this is not some kind of bulker. Im trying to lean myself out a bit after doing nothing because of limited mobility for awhile and I'm going to be doing a shit-ton of running since that's what this section of rehab is all about. The main thing I'm worried about is doing that EQ, at maybe 400mgs-600mgs, and it shutting my natural test down and not letting me loose alot of pudge that I need to while I'm doing my cardio, ect. Diet is not the problem if anyone wants to suggest that.

 

[emptywallet]

I'm on an eq, winny cycle right now. In week 10 of a 14 weeker. No test. I am having excellent results man, probably the best I've had yet. This is my 4th cycle. I've lost a considerable amount of fat and now that the winny is kicking in, I'm getting hard as hell. I luv this combo.

I'm running 500mg's of EQ per week and 75mg's of winny ED.

I have the same bloat problem with test which is why I wanted to stay away from it on this one.

As far as the pain from the EQ....it's totally painless for me. I feel nothing. I'm not sure about the differnce of 400mg's and 600mg's but I frontloaded the first to weeks with 1000mg's and then to 500mg's per week.

So I think you would be able to lose BF without the test but as you say it really comes down to your diet man.

Cool beans bro. I wonder why this QV EQ seems to hurt like hell.

 

[nsashbl01]

I have been using QV Deca and it's less pain than any deca I have done. Never done human grade though. I was thinking of running something similar. I am also very bloat and gyno sensitive. Even on anti e's. So I was thinking 400 - 600 eq/ew and keeping my maintanence test at 100mg/ew. I also will not drop the 300mg/wk deca I do to keep my shoulders feeling nice....

 

[Baywatch69]

My first cycle was var only All my others have been test based

 

[paridhm]

Cool beans bro. I wonder why this QV EQ seems to hurt like hell.

I've used Tren only, get lean and hard if I eat clean. The EQ burns because of the high amount of BA QV puts in the solution.

 

[LVTitan]

currently on test/eq/deca, but i am going to be dropping the test altogether and upping my deca.
cycle started at
week 1-6 test 250 deca 300 eq 400
week 7-10 test 375 deca 450 eq 600
now my last 5 weeks will be
deca 600
eq 600
i havent been too impressed with test since my first few cycles.

 

[Bruce]

yes ran deca at 600 a week for 12 weeks no test no deca dick libido increase, use hcg 250ius a week to keep the boys home, and ran winny at the end. loved it 22lbs of lean mass. i will use a light dose of test next run i think

 

[shamrock11]

LOL I knew you would be in this post Bruce. I'm with Bruce I've done a deca only cycle at 400mg a week for ten weeks. No bad sides, other than some of my clothes don't fit anymore, but other than that sezx drive was fine if not increased.

 

[ElMatador]

yes...dbol & deca cycle...