I'm not trying to tell other people that they should run out and try this and I will admit that it is fairly extreme, but the results speak for themselves. I'm 4 weeks into a Test, Tren, Dnp and insulin cycle. I'm running the test at 600mgs/wk, the tren at 75e/d, 200mgs of dnp e/d and 15iu's of humalog insulin post workout. 4 weeks in my bodyfat has dropped from 11.5% down to 7% and I've put on a good 10lbs of mass. My arms are measuring a half in bigger and the pumps are amazing. Please any newbie who reads this understand that my diet is nearly perfect, I do 45 minutes of cardio every morning and I lift heavy six days a week. Drugs are not the answer, they just are wonderful aids. Tell me what ya'll think of this cycle? I've got another 4 weeks to go and I can't wait to see what I look like at spring break. I'm shooting for 210 at 5% bodyfat. I'm 202 at 7% right now. peace, lat