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[strongchick]

um, does this scare anyone else here?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=31122001-015115-2106r

Officials say the most alarming signs are preparations in both states for the use of nuclear-tipped missiles.

 

[danielson]

yes and the US needs to do something fast....as india's pissed at pakistan, pakistan whistling pretending nothings going on and they are both gearing up for a nasty nuclear conflict, both sides have 'dirty' nukes too

 

[strongchick]

yes and the US needs to do something fast....as india's pissed at pakistan, pakistan whistling pretending nothings going on and they are both gearing up for a nasty nuclear conflict, both sides have 'dirty' nukes too

Yeah, but what can we do? Religious zealots are on both sides of that conflict!!!!

 

[danielson]

Yeah, but what can we do? Religious zealots are on both sides of that conflict!!!!

hindu religious zealots? india has one of the highest muslim populations in the word....india's beef isn;t religious, its pride. pakistan pretty obvioiusly equips terrorists and lets them do what they want. its finally bit them in the ass and the indians wont lose face. most ofthe populace doesnt want a war

mean while the muslims (seem to do this a lot) want to get into another jihad ASAP even though half their countries gonna be turned into a fireball

 

[Jimsbbc]

Why does the U.S. feel we have to go and police all the other nations with our imperialism. Can't those fuckers solve anything for themselves????

 

[gymtime]

Yeah, but what can we do? Religious zealots are on both sides of that conflict!!!!

Why do we need to do anything?

 

[Jimsbbc]

That's what I'm saying, why involve ourselves in that?

 

[danielson]

india is one of the US's strongest allies.....and was willing to help without financial motivation. they also dont like china much, and border china. this is very useful

also.....pakistans one of the largest muslim states. whats gonna happen when the majority of the indian and pakistani populace look like cajun chicken? muslims all round the world will go crazy, andmost likely point the finger at the infidels (thats us ) and become even more of a problem

plus lots of people will die and thats bad

and the fallout

 

[strongchick]

hindu religious zealots? india has one of the highest muslim populations in the word....india's beef isn;t religious, its pride. pakistan pretty obvioiusly equips terrorists and lets them do what they want. its finally bit them in the ass and the indians wont lose face. most ofthe populace doesnt want a war

mean while the muslims (seem to do this a lot) want to get into another jihad ASAP even though half their countries gonna be turned into a fireball

I swear I read something about the Hindus and Muslims having more than their fair share of battles.

Still looking for the info...

Oh yeah, and in answer to why we should get involved, gymtime---what do we know about nuke clouds floating around the world, filled with radiation?

 

[gymtime]

india is one of the US's strongest allies.....and was willing to help without financial motivation. they also dont like china much, and border china. this is very useful

also.....pakistans one of the largest muslim states. whats gonna happen when the majority of the indian and pakistani populace look like cajun chicken? muslims all round the world will go crazy, andmost likely point the finger at the infidels (thats us ) and become even more of a problem

plus lots of people will die and thats bad

and the fallout

I agree. But I think becoming directly involved would be a much bigger disaster.

 

[strongchick]

I agree. But I think becoming directly involved would be a much bigger disaster.

Assuming OSL is in Pakistan, we are already directly involved.

 

[Jimsbbc]

They will point fingers at us whether we solve it or not. In their eyes, they are never at fault.

 

[gymtime]

Oh yeah, and in answer to why we should get involved, gymtime---what do we know about nuke clouds floating around the world, filled with radiation?

Not all nuclear weapons are the same. My guess is that neither side has the kind of weapons that create that much fallout. But, even if they did, it wouldn't justify our involvement IMO. I think it's way too early in the game to worry about this now anyway. Having nuclear capability and using it are two very different animals. They haven't even declared war yet.

 

[strongchick]

Assuming OSL is in Pakistan, we are already directly involved.

That would be a neat trick - Osama gets the US, India, Pakistan, and China involved in a nuclear war.

 

[gymtime]

Assuming OSL is in Pakistan, we are already directly involved.

I disagree. Because we have one single target supposedly in Pakistan does not make us a player.

 

[danielson]

I agree. But I think becoming directly involved would be a much bigger disaster.

well if we picked sides openly and sent forces in.....bad

but a nuclear war is pretty much the shittiest end of the stick

plus....with pakistan ruling that reigion (heavily sympathetic to china...who treat muslims like ebola acrriers in terms of givernment observation) china gets big and strong.

india's always had russia but they arent much help nowadays, and theyve always been happy to help the US against terrorism, in fact they were one the first to offer forces to the US (pakistan no longer belongs to the commonwealth )

 

[danielson]

Not all nuclear weapons are the same. My guess is that neither side has the kind of weapons that create that much fallout. But, even if they did, it wouldn't justify our involvement IMO. I think it's way too early in the game to worry about this now anyway. Having nuclear capability and using it are two very different animals. They haven't even declared war yet.

pakistans nukes are VERY dirty

india's are a bit more efficient but not much more. both sides nuclear programs arent that advanced...china;s is snce you gift wrapped half of it for the *cough* clinton *cough*

their missles cant reach the US....but can reach troops stationed on the ground nearby.

 

[strongchick]

Scientific American

http://www.sciam.com/2001/1201issue/1201ramana.html

India, Pakistan and the Bomb
The Indian subcontinent is the most likely place in the world for a nuclear war

by M. V. Ramana and A. H. Nayyar

 

[gymtime]

pakistans nukes are VERY dirty

india's are a bit more efficient but not much more. both sides nuclear programs arent that advanced...china;s is snce you gift wrapped half of it for the *cough* clinton *cough*

their missles cant reach the US....but can reach troops stationed on the ground nearby.

All the more reason to stay the hell out of it, as much as we can anyway. I still just don't see the world's first nuclear conflict being between India and Pakistan. I think we need to see what happens.

 

[danielson]

All the more reason to stay the hell out of it, as much as we can anyway. I still just don't see the world's first nuclear conflict being between India and Pakistan. I think we need to see what happens.

we just have to hope i guess

india was effectivly struck in the balls when its parliment was attacked....and its been pushing troops up to the front. it might get to the point where its put so many there tha pakistani's will attack or india has to attack as its efforts have gainerd so much momentum

india's got a crazy huge army too (like over 3 million)

hopefully they sort something else....it not easy when your diplomatyic toalks are being held against a miliary regieme that seized power forcefully and your the biggest democracy in the world

we can only hope....i suspect the pakistani's will ask for US assistance

 

[chesty]

Why is it the US's problem? Let the fuckers annhilate each other. They hate each other and it will always be so.

Short of the US just walking in there and taking over period, end of story, they will do what they want. And we don't want to occupy unfriendly territory. Conquer it maybe, but occupy it no.

 

[big4life]

Actually there are some that believe that the attack on the Indian parliament was carried out to cause Pakistan to move troops away from it's border with Afghanistan. Thereby allowing for Binladen and others to escape into Pakistan.

As far as reasons why we need to worry about this crisis, you need to look no further than China. India is an effective counter balance to China's influence in the region.

Pakistan is an important Muslim partner for us in this "war on terrorism". If we lose their support, then we risk losing support from other Muslim countries.

 

[chesty]

And why is that our concern? I am sick and tired of us being asked for help, giving it and even sending in our boys to die for that help, and then having these same country's and peoples call us murderers, tyrants, etc.

If there was something productive to gain by our interference then maybe I might consider it. But to date neither side has expressely asked for our help. So, we should stay out and let the children play.

India may be next to China, but if the Chinese wanted, they could run over India, before the world figured it out.

 

[TJ24]

the US sticks there nose in everyone else's business all the time, we have to learn that some people have different views on things then we do, we're just 1 country out of many so I don't know why our government thinks there way is the right way. We have to learn to let other nations fight there own battles

 

[danielson]

India may be next to China, but if the Chinese wanted, they could run over India, before the world figured it out.

THAT DEFINATELY TRUE...they almost went fully to war before and india would have had its ass kicked as the chinese manpower is just damn scary as well as the size of their airforce i believe. Still as things stand, india is a big ally against any possible conflict with china...they have a huge fairly well trained army and are nuclear capable. as well as fundementalist seizing the opportunity to claim america and co. set the ball running for the conflict by going after bin laden in the first place and doing nothing to stop however many muslims being killed (a big % of them)

big4life i heard that rumour too as well.....you never know it may be true...which makes it even more troubling to think we are placing so much faith in the pakistani government

sorry for any mistakes i didnt spot btw....i am fairly inebriated

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

I disagree with China being able to "run over" India. Yes I think in a prolonged war the chinese have more resources, but I don't think the Indian military is being given enough credit here. Plus, even though India is much smaller than china, it's population is VERY comparable. I forget how many people exactly live in India, but it's STAGGERING. Don't quote me on this, but at last I heard I "thought" I read that India had surpassed china in terms of sheer populace. But of course, half of those people are living at 80lbs body weight and look 5 minutes from death. But I do know that India's military is pretty formidable. In a conventional war, I beleive I read that India would be favored against Pakistan. Of course, if both go nuclear, that whole region is fucked. India nor pakistan can light off a nuke in the others territory and NOT have it directly affect them. And if they trade multiple nukes, the fallout there will be horrendous. We'll even get some of it here.

 

[danielson]

I disagree with China being able to "run over" India. Yes I think in a prolonged war the chinese have more resources, but I don't think the Indian military is being given enough credit here. Plus, even though India is much smaller than china, it's population is VERY comparable. I forget how many people exactly live in India, but it's STAGGERING. Don't quote me on this, but at last I heard I "thought" I read that India had surpassed china in terms of sheer populace. But of course, half of those people are living at 80lbs body weight and look 5 minutes from death. But I do know that India's military is pretty formidable. In a conventional war, I beleive I read that India would be favored against Pakistan. Of course, if both go nuclear, that whole region is fucked. India nor pakistan can light off a nuke in the others territory and NOT have it directly affect them. And if they trade multiple nukes, the fallout there will be horrendous. We'll even get some of it here.

yeah...india's military is huge, just over 3,330,000 in the army! and is well trained too....the chinese might have not benefited from all that english training but they have lots of people and better weaponry (more nukes) adn were powerful enough to be considered in the 5 nations in th UN

india gets favouribility against pakistan easily, but them muslim mofo's be crazy whejn the chips are down and would probably nuke back. india went tio war against china before and india was the one who backed down sharpish at the tiime, im not sure how things stand now, maybe they are stronger? they dont enjoy russian support now

 

[alexiarenee]

Why does the U.S. feel we have to go and police all the other nations with our imperialism. Can't those fuckers solve anything for themselves????

YES!!! I wish to U.S. would just stay out of everyone elses business...I understand when we go help the starving people or whatever...but when it comes to war we should just mind our own.....

 

[chesty]

China has something like 2 billion people, I don't think inda is close to that.

And yes, I do believe the chinese would roll the indians over. Hell in Korea, they rolled us and they weren't even a super power.