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Great piece on Dubya

musclebrains

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Sorry for the length of this. It's from last Wednesday's London Times. Nice analysis of life under Dubya:

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html)

The United States of America has gone mad

John le Carré


America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.

The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world’s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer’s pocket? At what cost — because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people — in Iraqi lives?

How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America’s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.

Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because I’m dead against Bush, but I would love to see Saddam’s downfall — just not on Bush’s terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America’s Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist.

God also has pretty scary connections. In America, where all men are equal in His sight, if not in one another’s, the Bush family numbers one President, one ex-President, one ex-head of the CIA, the Governor of Florida and the ex-Governor of Texas.

Care for a few pointers? George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on. But none of these trifling associations affects the integrity of God’s work.

In 1993, while ex-President George Bush was visiting the ever-democratic Kingdom of Kuwait to receive thanks for liberating them, somebody tried to kill him. The CIA believes that “somebody” was Saddam. Hence Bush Jr’s cry: “That man tried to kill my Daddy.” But it’s still not personal, this war. It’s still necessary. It’s still God’s work. It’s still about bringing freedom and democracy to oppressed Iraqi people.

To be a member of the team you must also believe in Absolute Good and Absolute Evil, and Bush, with a lot of help from his friends, family and God, is there to tell us which is which. What Bush won’t tell us is the truth about why we’re going to war. What is at stake is not an Axis of Evil — but oil, money and people’s lives. Saddam’s misfortune is to sit on the second biggest oilfield in the world. Bush wants it, and who helps him get it will receive a piece of the cake. And who doesn’t, won’t.

If Saddam didn’t have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart’s content. Other leaders do it every day — think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt.

Baghdad represents no clear and present danger to its neighbours, and none to the US or Britain. Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction, if he’s still got them, will be peanuts by comparison with the stuff Israel or America could hurl at him at five minutes’ notice. What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is America’s need to demonstrate its military power to all of us — to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.

The most charitable interpretation of Tony Blair’s part in all this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He can’t. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he can’t get out.

It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of Britain’s opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But that’s Britain’s tragedy, as it is America’s: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. Blair’s best chance of personal survival must be that, at the eleventh hour, world protest and an improbably emboldened UN will force Bush to put his gun back in his holster unfired. But what happens when the world’s greatest cowboy rides back into town without a tyrant’s head to wave at the boys?

Blair’s worst chance is that, with or without the UN, he will drag us into a war that, if the will to negotiate energetically had ever been there, could have been avoided; a war that has been no more democratically debated in Britain than it has in America or at the UN. By doing so, Blair will have set back our relations with Europe and the Middle East for decades to come. He will have helped to provoke unforeseeable retaliation, great domestic unrest, and regional chaos in the Middle East. Welcome to the party of the ethical foreign policy.

There is a middle way, but it’s a tough one: Bush dives in without UN approval and Blair stays on the bank. Goodbye to the special relationship.

I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefect’s sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he can’t explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.

“But will we win, Daddy?”

“Of course, child. It will all be over while you’re still in bed.”

“Why?”

“Because otherwise Mr Bush’s voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him.”

“But will people be killed, Daddy?”

“Nobody you know, darling. Just foreign people.”

“Can I watch it on television?”

“Only if Mr Bush says you can.”

“And afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more?”

“Hush child, and go to sleep.”

Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: “Peace is also Patriotic”. It was gone by the time he’d finished shopping.
 
He makes some good points but also trips a few times. There is no way that the war enjoys an 88% approval rating. Bending statistics such a manner is bad journalism.

He also lays the blame for almost everything at the foot of George Bush. One should look to the sheep mentality of the public and a media that is quite obviously bent in a certain direction when Israeli/Muslim concerns are at stake. People must get their news from the media.

I'd say the article was fairly poorly written overall. A good example of why many people distrust the media. How can someone trust blatant subjectivity?
 
Thanks Musclebrains. It is a little over the top,
but a nice change from the usually Rah Rah Bush stuff we normally get.
 
Testosterone boy said:
He makes some good points but also trips a few times. There is no way that the war enjoys an 88% approval rating. Bending statistics such a manner is bad journalism.

He also lays the blame for almost everything at the foot of George Bush. One should look to the sheep mentality of the public and a media that is quite obviously bent in a certain direction when Israeli/Muslim concerns are at stake. People must get their news from the media.

I'd say the article was fairly poorly written overall. A good example of why many people distrust the media. How can someone trust blatant subjectivity?

Huh? He mentions the media at the outset, but it's the media's reporting of Dubya's Administration that is the problem. And he notes equally clearly that Americans aren't asking the right questions. He's disclosing what the media normally doesn't -- your criticism -- and then you call it bad writing. Oy.

I have no idea about the 88 percent. I thought it was inflated too, but i haven't seen recent figures. I know that most people want Bush to wait until the UN "authorizes" an invasion but the vaast majority favor it in that case.
 
I love it when our favorite Bush lemmings including spongebob and ttlpkg join in with their omniscient unquestioning loyalty to Bush and ever present critisism of any other opinon...

BTW, I'd like to thank you for giving us Ashcroft
 
musclebrains said:


Huh? He mentions the media at the outset, but it's the media's reporting of Dubya's Administration that is the problem. And he notes equally clearly that Americans aren't asking the right questions. He's disclosing what the media normally doesn't -- your criticism -- and then you call it bad writing. Oy.

I have no idea about the 88 percent. I thought it was inflated too, but i haven't seen recent figures. I know that most people want Bush to wait until the UN "authorizes" an invasion but the vaast majority favor it in that case.


I called it "fairly poorly written", not "bad writing." I think an author should take pains to be accurate when addressing an issue as important as this one does. He really misquoted the words Bush used when talking about the assassination attempt on his dad. By doing so he made Bush sound as childish as possible. I read a recent poll that said most Americans are opposed to the invasions under the current circumstances. I'd say he dug pretty hard to come up with this 88% figure.

I absolutely agree that the media is giving the administration carte blanche as long as Iraq is toast. I have very serious problems with that just as I do with creative journalism.

I also said that he makes some good points. It could have been an excellent article if more journalistic integrity were employed.
 
Frackal said:
I love it when our favorite Bush lemmings including spongebob and ttlpkg join in with their omniscient unquestioning loyalty to Bush and ever present critisism of any other opinon...

BTW, I'd like to thank you for giving us Ashcroft

lol. like always you form an opinion without all the facts. you didnt even ask me why i was crying, i guess you just assumed why.
 
I had a talk with Ashcroft on the phone the other day.

Well not exactly a talk, but rather I talked, he just listened. I was making a phone call and heard these clicks on my line, so just assumed that it was Ashcroft exercising his Homeland Security Right and monitoring my phone call to learn the latest news of the Gay Agenda.
 
Anal AssPlorer said:
I had a talk with Ashcroft on the phone the other day.

Well not exactly a talk, but rather I talked, he just listened. I was making a phone call and heard these clicks on my line, so just assumed that it was Ashcroft exercising his Homeland Security Right and monitoring my phone call to learn the latest news of the Gay Agenda.

lmao!!!
 
spongebob said:


lol. like always you form an opinion without all the facts. you didnt even ask me why i was crying, i guess you just assumed why.


So...why were you crying?


We have a very serious problem wit Iraq. If they do have serious amounts of WMD, and they probably do, there will be catastrophic casualties of our soldiers. If they don't have WMD or follow the high road and not use them then we will look like bloodthirsty murderers and pillagers.

This is why I post on Iraq all the damned time...not that I have any impact. The gravity of these decisions will be historical. Biochem weapons are so nasty that even Hitler was above their use and Germany had enormous stockpiles at their disposal.

Remember that Iraq has used them before and that was against Iran, a less threatening enemy than the US.
 
"If Saddam didn’t have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart’s content. Other leaders do it every day — think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt. "

This quote shows a lot of ignorance. The writer seems to be implying that we don't give a damn about human rights issues in these other countries because they don't have oil. Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia was an oil exporter along with Egypt and Syria.
 
Testosterone boy said:



Remember that Iraq has used them before and that was against Iran, a less threatening enemy than the US.

LOL... Iran is the most threatening nation to Iraq. The US ain't got nothing on Iran when it comes to Iraq.

The only reason that Iraq is not a territory of Iran is because the Royal Iranian Generals refused to invade Iraq for the new fundamentalist government. They were taken out of jail (by the extremist mullahs) to command troops against Iraq, but stopped fighting a little past the Iran/Iraq border. When asked why they stopped, they responded that they were patriots fighting off the Arabs to the border. They did it for Iran, not for the gevernment. They did not agree with the fundamentalists, so they were put back in prison.

A famous quote from one of the generals went a little like this:

"We will have breakfast in Iran and dinner in Baghdad."
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
"If Saddam didn’t have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart’s content. Other leaders do it every day — think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt. "

This quote shows a lot of ignorance. The writer seems to be implying that we don't give a damn about human rights issues in these other countries because they don't have oil. Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia was an oil exporter along with Egypt and Syria.

You ignorance is also showing. They all happen to be allies.

It is okay for allies to torture as much as they want (i.e. S. America).
 
Commie crap....

musclebrains said:
The United States of America has gone mad

John le Carré

....The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world’s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.
....
This bit I must say something about.

While I don't sing the praises of GW (even though I voted for him...more because I didn't want Gore than I wanted GW), I find this insulting.

1. At the Brenton Woods Conference, the whole "save the environment" crap started because if a nation doesn't waste something like 30% of it's GNP...it will economically collapse. The Cold War did this for a few decades. Now they needed something else. Initiating war was not a good idea, so they decided to make the environment the cause. Think about this any time you see them pass new EPA regs. Why pays for it? The consumer every time. I won't go further on this as it will get off topic.

2. The election was PROVEN BY THE MEDIA. BUSH WON FAIR AND SQUARE. They counted the votes that the court said not to count. They used both standards sought by Bush and Gore. If Gore got his way, he'd still have lost the election. If Bush got his way, Gore would have won. The Supreme Court could not have known that ironic outcome. Leading Democrats I know clearly put the blame for GW being in the White House on Gore for not running a better campaign. If Gore just won his home state, Florida would have been irrelevant. If Clinton wasn't just a jerk, conservatives and Republicans might not have turned up in enough force to make it a close election.

3. Enron's link to the White House isn't all it's cracked up to be. First, Enron sank because of it's own dirty deeds. It's not the same as Whitewater, and I don't hear liberals screaming how fair it was to nail Clinton, so this is just the liberal version of the Whitewater scandal, but not as good.

4. As far as "shameless favouring of the already-too-rich" goes, the Democrats and Clinton were no better. As a Political Science graduate, I know that neither party is really for the poor. Been that way for over 100 years. Get your head out of the sand and face political reality.

5. As far as "its reckless disregard for the world’s poor." That is socialist bunk. In any society where you have rich people, you must have poor. Socialism calls for all to have equal wealth, but look at any socialist nation and show me where that's worked. You can't. It hasn't. Socialist nations have people equally poor and miserable with the elite having all the wealth and power. Our system is flawed, but at least a poor person has hope of becoming rich. In a socialist nation, even that isn't possible.

6. A raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties? Where do you find that? Examine those treaties....most all of them grind the US Constitution into dust. Such treaties are not valid law. If it goes to the Supreme Court, they only hold up IF the states ratify it (because you are essentially changing the Constitution). Lots of commie dogma's been pushed on us through treaties that we cannot agree to unless the people of the United States (where the soverign power resides) permit it. Lots of these "treaties" are just war by another means. We are weaker now more than ever before....handing power to the UN. It's about time half this bunk's been put in the trash bin where it belongs.

Rant over. I'm off the soap box. Move along, nothing to see here. ;)
 
Re: Re: Commie crap....

2Thick said:
For some reason, this part makes me think that the rest of what your wrote is also not true.
Trust me, it's true. If it's not, I appologize, but I'm under the impression it is so. After all, there was no prohibition or court ban to keep the media from doing it, and the big question "how did the votes turn out" was a major news matter yet to be answered.

If Gore got his way, Bush got several thousand more votes.

If Bush got his way, enough Gore votes were found to give a hairline victory in Florida.

So, the claim that the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush is a load of bull. Also, those same critics condemning the US Supreme Court said nothing about the FL Supreme Court which ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY changed the election laws retroactively to benefit Gore. If that wasn't misconduct from the bench, I don't know what is.

Oh....

I never said anything about Mr. le Carré's assertion that the US is supporting Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

First, I don't thing Israel is blameless for its actions, but the UN is so blatantly anti-semitic it's not funny. Actually, the UN is satanic. Examine the religious philosophies behind their agenda and it's paganism and satanism. The UN made Israel a nation. Now, they wish they could undo it. They can't just go in and invade to hand the land to the PLO, but they can do everything possible to make Israel miserable.

The Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed....those that curse her will be cursed. I'd rather side with Israel any day than risk opposing her. If any other nation was attacked the way Israel has been over the last 40 years, we'd be trying the leader of the other nation for attempted genocide....

However, if it's a filthy Jew, I suppose that's okay. :rolleyes:
 
2Thick said:


It is all about logistics.

No need to fly an personal or equipment anywhere. Supply lines are literally hours away.

Plus Baghdad is a couple hours from the border.

It is silly to think any different.


Are you thinking in a past tense? You Iran the most threatening nation to Iraq.I suspect that Iraq is currently more worried about the US. We have a message to sent the world that thinks we are ineffective militarily.

I predict that Iraq will get hit so hard that it will be like a sledge hammer on a mouse until we enclose Baghdad and the WMD that they deny having will be used. It will get ugly then. Very ugly. Very, very ugly.
 
Re: Re: Commie crap....

2Thick said:
For some reason, this part makes me think that the rest of what your wrote is also not true.
Trust me, it's true. If it's not, I appologize, but I'm under the impression it is so. After all, there was no prohibition or court ban to keep the media from doing it, and the big question "how did the votes turn out" was a major news matter yet to be answered.

If Gore got his way, Bush got several thousand more votes.

If Bush got his way, enough Gore votes were found to give a hairline victory in Florida.

So, the claim that the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush is a load of bull. Also, those same critics condemning the US Supreme Court said nothing about the FL Supreme Court which ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY changed the election laws retroactively to benefit Gore. If that wasn't misconduct from the bench, I don't know what is.

Oh....

I never said anything about Mr. le Carré's assertion that the US is supporting Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

First, I don't thing Israel is blameless for its actions, but the UN is so blatantly anti-semitic it's not funny. Actually, the UN is satanic. Examine the religious philosophies behind their agenda and it's paganism and satanism. The UN made Israel a nation. Now, they wish they could undo it. They can't just go in and invade to hand the land to the PLO, but they can do everything possible to make Israel miserable.

The Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed....those that curse her will be cursed. I'd rather side with Israel any day than risk opposing her. If any other nation was attacked the way Israel has been over the last 40 years, we'd be trying the leader of the other nation for attempted genocide....

However, if it's a filthy Jew, I suppose that's okay. :rolleyes:
 
musclebrains said:
Sorry for the length of this. It's from last Wednesday's London Times. Nice analysis of life under Dubya:

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html)

The United States of America has gone mad

John le Carré

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world’s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.


I had to stop after this to throw up. Seeing that this was a British paper, I knew this socialist moron would essentially be regurgitating the Democratic platform.

"..its reckless disregard for the world's poor,..." This one had me in stitches.
 
As if the Voter News Service or whatever other bullshit biased entity that did the count is valid anyway... I wouldnt have thought the election valid if the media counted it whether Bush or Gore won..I have no clue what that moron Gore would have done but Bush has done some real bad shit here.

I cant think of a single significant good thing that has come from the Bush administration but I can think of many, many bad things... Homeland Security, budget increase, economic depression, (blame whoever), Ashcroft (VERY BAD), unprecendented revocation of basic civil rights... 4th amendment in the toilet... sunset clause is a lie... To be honest I think all of you that support Bush so strongly are extremely foolish....and Sponge, you're bawling face meant you thought the article was whiny....if that isnt what it meant, write more next time but dont complain about how something like that is interpreted.....
 
btw If the media is so liberally biased why did they find that bush won? Oh cause it was the truth...? The truth is the last thing our major media should be known for
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Commie crap....

2Thick said:


It's called Canada

Maybe you should go back up the thread and read (a Canadian)Jeffrey Simpson's reply to le Carre's article. From the socialistic Globe & Mail (Mop & Pail) even.
 
Testosterone boy said:









I'll agree with that but I still say that it is fairly poorly written. The author is a professional journalist is he not?


The author is a preeminent spy novelist. One of the most prolific and respected of his genre.
 
Good point....

Frackal said:
btw If the media is so liberally biased why did they find that bush won? Oh cause it was the truth...? The truth is the last thing our major media should be known for
You might be right, however, this news item was not widely reported on. Kinda like, "Oh, Bush did win....let's just drop the issue then." Most all talk about the legitimacy of the presidency ended shortly after this, so I suppose it is credible. Democrats won't drop something they can bash Republicans with (or vice versa) so long as it's flaw hasn't been exposed.

I'm glad you admit Gore is also a moron.

"....Homeland Security, budget increase, economic depression, (blame whoever), Ashcroft (VERY BAD), unprecendented revocation of basic civil rights... 4th amendment in the toilet... sunset clause is a lie..."

None of these things hit me too well either. Makes me wonder how much worse it would have been with Gore.

Then again, as I've said, I don't sing Bush's praises either.
 
RAH RAH BUSH!!!

I think I'm going to start my own Anti the Anti war Protestors. I'm going to burn Dummies that look like Sadamm and Bin Laden and Burn Iraqi and Al Queda flags

Wonder if the CNN will want to report this, since they report alot of Anti American stuff from Overseas. Perhaps the few people over there with CNN might see us Protesting them

Anyone got some Gasoline?
 
TxArmyGuy said:
RAH RAH BUSH!!!

I think I'm going to start my own Anti the Anti war Protestors. I'm going to burn Dummies that look like Sadamm and Bin Laden and Burn Iraqi and Al Queda flags

Wonder if the CNN will want to report this, since they report alot of Anti American stuff from Overseas. Perhaps the few people over there with CNN might see us Protesting them

Anyone got some Gasoline?

I'll join that group. It made me sick to see people around the world marching with crossed out pictures of Bush while others held Saddam's picture on high (yeah... Saddam... really a wonderful guy :rolleyes: )

Another interesting story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/04/world/main527977.shtml
 
Oh, come on....

UpperTone said:
....It made me sick to see people around the world marching with crossed out pictures of Bush while others held Saddam's picture on high (yeah... Saddam... really a wonderful guy :rolleyes: )
Of course, Saddam is a wonderful guy. All those people who vigerously protested in the street were rewarded by being allowed to go home and live another day. Demonstrations compelled by threat of death are very effective for participant turnout. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Oh, come on....

Baby Gorilla said:
Of course, Saddam is a wonderful guy. All those people who vigerously protested in the street were rewarded by being allowed to go home and live another day. Demonstrations compelled by threat of death are very effective for participant turnout. :rolleyes:

I'm talking about the protestors in Moscow, Tokyo, London, Washington, Paris etc...
 
Frackal said:


To be honest I think all of you that support Bush so strongly are extremely foolish....and Sponge, you're bawling face meant you thought the article was whiny....if that isnt what it meant, write more next time but dont complain about how something like that is interpreted.....

wrong again, i wasnt complaining, just pointing out a flaw you have.
 
Testosterone boy said:



For the second time, why did you post the bawling face? You even asked us to ask or something like that.

because of the admin's "reckless disregard for the poor". its very sad.
 
spongebob said:


because of the admin's "reckless disregard for the poor". its very sad.


His dad also suffered from a perceived lack of concern for the plight of the poor.

I don't expect the GOP to bend over backwards for the poor but further tax credits for the very rich really irritated this Republican. It isn't like we have a budget surplus. Our deficit spending right now is miraculous.
 
N. Korea has directly threatened us and declared that they have nuclear weapons. Why is it that our leaders do not go after them first since it seems they pose the biggest threat?
 
How can you trust a govt. that less than 40 years ago denied blacks basic rights?
 
I loved the author's use of the term "already-too-rich." That great. What the hell does that mean? When I read that, I knew I would be dealing with thte rantings of a socialist that chose the liberal agenda to get his message across. We're capitalists over here, there's no such thing as "already-too-rich."

The author denounces Bush's use of religion in his credo against Irag and terrorism. Saddam has asked 30,000 men and women to form a human shield around the royal palaces in the name of Allah. In my view, it'll be pretty shitty to die standing in front of your ruler's palace because he told you you'd go to heaven if you protected him in God's name.




With that said, I do agree with one of la Carre's statements. There is the mentality that "if you're not with us, you're against us." This attitude by the Bush administration and by the American people has really disgusted me.

All in all, I thought he wrote a very convincing article, if you believe all the false numbers he posts about polls, and if you don't think that using true facts and statements is important in journalism.

Oh, and the last part about the bumper sticker, if it';s actually true it proves nothing. I doubt some militant redneck in a grocery store parking lot in London took his sticker to quash his voice on using diplomacy instead of weapons. Please.
 
Testosterone boy said:



His dad also suffered from a perceived lack of concern for the plight of the poor.

I don't expect the GOP to bend over backwards for the poor but further tax credits for the very rich really irritated this Republican. It isn't like we have a budget surplus. Our deficit spending right now is miraculous.

I like how you work in this specific rhetoric at every opportunity.

When FDR increased defecit spending, did libs complain?
 
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