Gramabol!!!

[NFG123]

Week 1
• 3,000 mg of testosterone per week
• 100 mg of clomiphene citrate every other day

Weeks 2-10
• 1,000 mg of testosterone per week
• 50 mg of clomiphene citrate every other day

Weeks 11-14 (post-cycle)
• 50 mg of clomiphene citrate per day


I was thinking about after this cutting cycle, taking four months off, then coming back hard and heavy and hitting up the GRAMABOL with testoviron.

Slight modifications.

1) clomid sucks as its being used. I will use 1 mg ED liquidex. I will use 2x normal amt of finasteride for the prostate and Topical Xandorox and Nizoral for hair loss.

2) HCG at 1500 IU e3d weeks 4-5 and 10-11. Clomid hard and heavy at week 12.

What do you guys think of this overall plan for serious MASS?

SHould I throw in 4 weeks of var (8-12) to make gains permenant?

NFG

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

3 g frontload, 1 g/ wk for 9 weeks....is this a joke?

 

[GameBreaker]

unfortunately no..its what all the idiots at the t-mag.com board try and recommend...hald the reason i moved to this board

 

[Mike P.T.]

3 g frontload, 1 g/ wk for 9 weeks....is this a joke?

Nah it's not bro. I've actually seen this stack. It's kind of old I think.

1 gram of test and that's it huh. Well, to alot of guys 1 gram of test is nothing and taken with nothing else either?? Week 1 take 3 grams and then drop it to one?? I don't like it. Maybe a 2 gram frontload if you're gonna do this stack then drop to 1 gram.

BTW I like your overall idea better and using the anavar as well but I still can't believe you say you're using it "to make gains more permanent." LOL that still amuses me.

*Not for newbies but for more experienced vets.

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

I asked because it sounded like he doesn't know what he's doing....maybe I'm wrong.....

 

[GameBreaker]

at those doses for the average to beginner user...the gains will greatly be outweighed by the sides because of such an unecessarily high dosage..i've done 3 cycles in the last 2 years which i know is not a lot...but i still but on over 20lbs with just 500-750mg a week...

3grams is too much for most..i know too many people who have gotten ill from front loading to agree with this cycle

 

[NFG123]

I definitely know what I am doing.

Here is one of the issues I have with people who don't like gramabol. I have no argument with the idea that 1 g of steroids may be just too much with a beginner ... I understand this entirely.

But for those who recommend--

500 mg T
300-400 Deca
25 mg Dbol

For a mega mass builder for a newbie -- which is A LOT of gear and many people on this board I have seen make this EXACT recommendation.

That totals out to be over 1 g steroids a week.

Now who is to say that these drugs TOGETHER don't have greater or AS GREAT of side effects as 1 g test a week alone?

The problem with this stack over test alone, is you cannot really fight the sides of it as well as you cuold with testosterone.

Finasteride--forget about it. Deca is metabolically deactivated in the prostate and scalp--if you use it, you will only make it more potent and T less potent--an equal trade off. And since hair loss is usually mediated through androgen effects (DHT binds AR 3x better than T) and Deca has a greater affinity for the AR, this tradeoff may be in favor of hair loss and not for it.

You can't battle the prostate cancer problem with this stack like you could with T only--No finasteride again. You have to stick it out.

IMO, this stack should be given some consideration or at least make people who recommend the T, Deca, Dbol stack to newbies think some more before blindly recommending this. Not to flame anyone, but I think this is an interesting point.

Maybe a better overall recommendation to newbies would be a Deca alone 400 mg 10 week cycle or T 500 mg alone ...

Would like to hear your thoughts.

NFG

 

[GameBreaker]

hmm your rite about the thing about stacking being over 1 gram anyway...HOWEVER, i tend only to stack 2 items at once, 1 being mostly androgenic like test and 1 being mainly anabolic like anavar or something....but i'm glad u agree about the beginner thing...i might actually try a gramabol cycle to simplify things one day....its just that so many total newbies read this board i'm always thinkning some 17yr old will try it.

 

[Twitched]

I did that once and I gained 30 lbs! all in my prostate!