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blaster220

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First off, most of you that have kept up with my recent post know that I am a few weeks out from finishing up a fina/winny cycle.

The purpose of this cycle was quality muscle and strength, not so much in large amounts, but steady, keepable gains while shedding some fat.

Now, I just started cardio for the first time this past Monday, which began week 6 of the cycle. Before cardio that morning, I had my bf% checked and it was at 16%... mind you it was at 22% at week 1 of the cycle! No cardio + Fina/Winny dropped 8% body fat. :D

Along with starting up the cardio in the mornings, I am on a calorie defecit utilizing mostly protein / quality fats / low carbs and absolutely no sweets whatsoever. I also began NYC and Yohimburn. Hopefully I can get it down close to 10% before fall.

The trainer that checked my body fat pinched 3 spots... the spot between your chest and delt, the gut, and the thigh. Oddly enough, he couldn't get ANYthing on the legs. He had someone else try and they just gave up :) In addition, after staring at me like a piece of meat for a while, he said:

"You know, I've been in this business a long time... and worked at 3 different Gold's Gyms in the past 10 years... I've just got to say, you have got the freakiest genetics I have seen in a while... once you lose some of that fat, you are going to be sick; especially through the delts and traps."

He said it appeared that my genetics are just not favorable to fat... no one in my extended family is overweight. For instance, my dad is nearly 65 and his body fat is at 9%.

But, just as everyone else has things they regret, I used andro in high school and gained a good bit of weight, however, most of it was estrogenically related fat gain... :( I've got this disproportionate fat build up on my sides and chest area, and in fact, I used to have hard tissue gyno from the andro, believe it or not, it went away on its own after I quit using it.

Anyhow, just wanted to share my experience, and I will post final results when this cycle is over.


:D
 
I'd like to add... let the part about prohormones be a lesson. I was young and was obolivious to the REAL info on true anabolics and their safe usage. I was a product of the media and I told myself no way I'd ever touch the real thing, I'll just use these 'safe' prohormones. I'll probably make an entire post for people considering using them, but for now I'll just make an addendum to this post.

Now, I don't know how your body would react with prohormones, but in my case, they gave me a LITTLE strength with MANY sides. They gave me more sides than I am experiencing right now on "harsh" drugs such as Fina and Winny.

19-Nor-4-androstenedione didn't do anything for me except make me retain water and gave me dull pains in my liver, just beneath my right ribcage. Supposedly, this prohormone is supposed to be converted into 'nandrolone' or 'deca'.

4-Androstenediol / 5-Androstenediol. Can't say much about these diols except they were even worse than the 19-Nor. I did gain some size and strength on these, but along with it, I got really bad acne and gynecomastia... I had hard tissue gyno that I went to the doctor about and was planning on having it removed, however, after 3 weeks of ceasing usage, the hard tissue went down, but the fat remains until this day... both in my love handles and chest area.

Keep in mind, folks, I haven't had one bad side from the 'harsh' drugs Fina and Winny. No acne, no water retention, no liver pain, nothing. Of course, I am taking precautions and supps, but it just really rubs me the wrong way that these 'prohormones' caused me more trouble in a month than I've experienced with controlled substances in 6 weeks. I don't even have to mention the difference in desired results... :rolleyes:

Just something to ponder...
 
legal supps can be far worse for you than the illegal ones..

pro-hormones have caused far more cases of gyno and produced much less gains... and they are still on the market.. even andro
 
macrophage69alpha said:
legal supps can be far worse for you than the illegal ones..

pro-hormones have caused far more cases of gyno and produced much less gains... and they are still on the market.. even andro

Exactly. Ironic, isn't it?
 
Notpuff... First things first.

I will never try prohormones again. Did you even read my post?
Let's go ahead and cover why you are wrong about the diols being unable to cause side effects such as gyno.

5-AD:
5-androstenediol is just a bad choice, period. It is not only an androgen but is also an estrogen, which suggests that this product may be more likely to cause gynecomastia (abnormal growth of breast tissue in men).

4-AD:
You may be thinking that 4-AD cannot cause estrogenic side effects because it can’t directly convert to estrogen, as it lacks a 3-keto functional group which is important in the aromatization process. While potentially the most anabolic of the group, 4-AD is also the most androgenic. Therefore, the potential for side effects such as gynecomastia, prostate enlargement, and premature balding, is actually greater with 4-androstenediol than 4-androstenedione (contrary to your belief).

I do, however, agree that if I were to try one pro-hormone that it would have to be 1-Androstenediol...
 
He's talking about Patrick Arnold. Pretty sure he's the guy who produces the 1-ad product. His handle is pa1ad I believe
 
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