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crsnavet

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Can someone help me choose a cycle? I have been reading all the posts and it is mind boggling. I did a Win/Deca cycle last year and really just want to gain and keep 15lbs of all lean mass.
Here are my vitals....
I am 5'10 166lbs w/ 7%bf
180 is optimal for me. Given spending $500 - $600 (est. by going street values), what should I stack?
I was thinking Win/Eq/Sust.
Is this good for my goal? Is there a better recommendation? I want a basic but effective stack. I no nothing about things like tren and fina. I'm not sure if I can even get them.
I also don't even know how to effectively use Nolvadex or Chlomid. Is this stuff available over the counter? I know I am prone to gyno, from last years deca cycle.
Please help me build a successful, cost effective cycle. I know everyone on here will be a big help, even though I will probably get flamed!!
Thanks
 
The best thing to do is take a couple weeks and do some research. Go through some of the old threads as well as checking out the www.steroid.com website and you will learn A LOT very quickly.

Deciding on which cycle to do greatly depends on what your goals are AND what you are willing to live with (as far as side effects are concerned)

My personal choice for a 2nd cycle, in which 15lbs was the goal, would be 500mg of Sustanon/week for 8 weeks along with 1mg of Arimidex EOD and Clomid post-cycle. If this cycle looks like Greek to you, then you HAVE to do a bunch of research FIRST.

Be patient :)
 
Thanks CanadianBro. The cycle doesn't look like greek. I'm not that familiar with Arimidex though. I will do some research on it. Everytime I think I know what I'm doing, something changes my mind. I just read Real Gains post on less is more and now I am not sure. Cost is always an issue, especially considering I recently joined the Laid off population. On the up side, I have plenty of time to work out!
 
mine below is techincally my "first" cycle as well as a lean mass cycle for me:

wk 1-10 sust250/EQ200 m/w/f
wk 1-5 50mg Dbol ED
wk 1-5 25mg anadrol ED
wk 1-5 1/2 arimidex ED
wk 6-13 60mg fina ED
wk 6-17 50mg Proviron ED
wk 1-17 20mg nolva ED
wk 14-17 normal clomid therapy

i am gyno prone, so lots of that type of stuff loaded in there. i also wouldn't suggest dbol/anadrol at the same time. but otherwise i think this is a great lean mass cycle. if you wanted you could supp in winny for the tren. but i think the tren is better. just an idea.
 
Thx Warbird. That seems like a lot of different products and may be a little more expensive than I planned.
Anyone else have some recommendations for me?
 
crsnavet said:
Thx Warbird. That seems like a lot of different products and may be a little more expensive than I planned.
Anyone else have some recommendations for me?
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lol. yeah, i put a lot of time and effort (read---money) into it. you can use it as an idea, and take out this and that, and save cash easy. but if you find the stuff cheap enough...its not all that expensive at all. i got lucky on good domestic pricing and lucked into some cast-offs from others that fit into my cycle. :D
 
What is the deal with all these sites on the web where you can order gear? Are the legit? I was just looking to order clomid, and I am finding all kinds of gear out there.
 
crsnavet said:
What is the deal with all these sites on the web where you can order gear? Are the legit? I was just looking to order clomid, and I am finding all kinds of gear out there.
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they are hit or miss really. i went 4 for 4 with pharmagroup, while others say they got scammed. but for clomid and nolva et al....go with the reputable sites. for the gear...if you want to chance it...go small first for sure.
 
Try running this for a good first cycle.

Weeks 1-10 sust @ 500mg
Weeks 1-10 400 mg eq
Weeks 1-3 fina @ 75 mg ed
Weeks 10-13 75 mg fina ed
l-dex weeks 1-12 @ .25 mg ed
start clomid week 14
 
for a second cycle, running test and eq would do the trick, say 400-600mg of each per week, along with either liquidex or femera
 
How about a simple fina/test cycle????
 
fina/EQ/test prop (maybe some var otr winny) + eat and train right = lean mean ripped machine. You could add 10-15 pounds of lean muscle IMO
 
Which would be a better more cost effective choice, Sust or test prop? I have always been a little weary of fina because I was afraid I would have to convert it.
Should I leave off the winny?

Serge,
What about just EQ and sust? Has anyone tried this? I can use the money I save by not buying the winny and buy more EQ or sust.
 
7-12 weeks Test 500mg depending on what ester, I would run an slow ester for 10-12 weeks and a short one like test prop for 7-8.
To this you might do a low dose of fina, or just go with EQ at 200mg per week. Low AS dose, 2.5g per lb bw, lots of carbs and.

If you pick a slow ester, I would bump the calories as the weeks go buy. I like bumping it after about 2 weeks after first shot.
 
if cost and simpicity are what you are after then i would run test 500mg for 10 weeks... very simple.. very cheap and VERY effective

if you are worried about gyno get some nolva and armidex as well .. armidex is more expensive but nolva well some say it hinders gains... but get nolva incase gyno comes on....

good luck
 
Thaks for all the replies. I just talked to my source and he has whatever I need. I do want to keep it simple. Am Icorrect in finding that sustanon is test? Is there a better for of test I should use? 500mg of test would just be 2 cc's of the sust weekly correct?
I am researching hundreds of posts on this board, but sometimes it is much easier just to ask.
 
crsnavet said:
Thaks for all the replies. I just talked to my source and he has whatever I need. I do want to keep it simple. Am Icorrect in finding that sustanon is test? Is there a better for of test I should use? 500mg of test would just be 2 cc's of the sust weekly correct?
I am researching hundreds of posts on this board, but sometimes it is much easier just to ask.
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Yes you are correct. Sust comes in 250mg/1ml amps. A shot every Mon/Thur for example would give you 500mg/EW. Test is test. Sust just happens to have several different esters.

Check out http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm and click on the sust link.

BTW, this is the second time you've mentioned your "local" source and the curiosity is killing me, what is he charging per sust amp? I don't give out source names, just want to make sure you're not getting raped too bad.
 
Mvmaxx,
I just talked to my source and he doesn't sell sust in individual amps. He only sells it in a 10ml bottle for $175. Has anyone seen sust in this packaging. I guess that whould be 2500 milligrams? This proposes a problem...
He is driving to get my gear right now and I am still not sure what to buy. If I don't decide now, I may miss out because the drive is long.
I wanted to this..
sust 500mg wks 1-8, unfortunately his selling only in 10 ml bottles doesn't make it very cost effective. Can I get away with only 2500mg of sust and then toss in EQ or Win.
I have about 2 hrs to decide.
Can anyone give me immediate input!
Thanks
 
I ran Test/EQ/fina and gained solid 20lbs. I would take out the winny and run fina...trust me you'll love it.
 
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