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good first cycle ?

you should man I did. My third week of dbol the size of my arms had doubled. Run the dbol for 4 weeks not three it may take your test longer than three weeks to kick in.
 
yeah but can you gain mass from test eth ? or only force ?
might aswell go 250mg test EW,200mg deca dur EW fift day,30mg dbol or is that too hardcore for first cycle?
 
i would go with just test and you will see good gains if your diet is good, no need to run dbol at 50mg ed 25mg is fine for your first time.
 
my first was 500mgs/wk test e and 30mgs dbol ed and i blew up. that should be enough :)
 
What would you guys recommend for a first cycle? 10 or 12 weeks of Test E. 500mg a week?

Also is 50mg ED overkill for a first cycle. I want to get the max. out of it, but i don't want to get the dreaded back pumps.

I have passed a kidney stone 3 months ago, and that was hell. 12 hours of hell. so i know how bad back pumps can be.
 
i did 12 weeks... on 30 mgs back pains are a f'ing pain. and dont do any treadmill/ fast walkin or your shins kill so bad you can barely lift your toes up.
 
canihaveitlikethat said:
yeah but can you gain mass from test eth ? or only force ?
might aswell go 250mg test EW,200mg deca dur EW fift day,30mg dbol or is that too hardcore for first cycle?

too many compounds for a first cycle. K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid)
I'd be shocked if you didn't see very nice gains from 500mg/wk of test alone. Adding the dbol isn't needed, but if ur in a hurry (like most of us are), add it at around 25mg/ed for 3-4 weeks.
 
25mg/ed of thee d-bol is just fine
 
canihaveitlikethat said:
yeah but can you gain mass from test eth ? or only force ?
might aswell go 250mg test EW,200mg deca dur EW fift day,30mg dbol or is that too hardcore for first cycle?
Dude keep it a simple as possible 30-40mg ed of d-bol for 4-5 weeks and some sort of test or tren for your first cycle you should be amazed with what happens
 
Apexx said:
back pumps = back pains (lower back usually)

Is d-bol notorious for back pumps or something? I thought about adding it to my test/deca cycle I am getting ready to start just cause I have no patience. However, I am running the Deca just to help with my already screwed up back. Wouldn't want to hurt any worse than I hurt now.
 
ninesecz said:
Dude keep it a simple as possible 30-40mg ed of d-bol for 4-5 weeks and some sort of test or tren for your first cycle you should be amazed with what happens

Wouldnt use some sort of Tren bro. 500mg of Test is recommended so you can see how your body reacts to it. If you use two compounds like say deca and test you dont know which one is doing what to you since its your first time see. I just finished my first test only cycle and will be upping cals from around 3000 a day to 4000 a day to try to keep gains. Some consider that low but it was all I could muster. I started at 198lbs and am now at 220lbs 12 weeks later. Im sure Ill lose some but I dont think Ill lose much. Ill keep yall posted lata!!
 
Apexx said:
too many compounds for a first cycle. K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid)
I'd be shocked if you didn't see very nice gains from 500mg/wk of test alone. Adding the dbol isn't needed, but if ur in a hurry (like most of us are), add it at around 25mg/ed for 3-4 weeks.


you sound like the teacher for my electrical union. you an electrician? hehe

DUDE, don't do tren for first cycle. I just did first cycle, Test E and Var

500mg per week for 12 weeks
var frontloaded


get some aromasin, adex, or letro to run with it. proviron would be good idea also.
 
I'm about 4 weeks into my first cycle of 500mg Test E/week for 10 weeks and 50mg Anav ar/day the first 4 weeks. I've gained 11lbs so far...not 11 "puffy" pounds either. I'm happy I kept it simple and I'm looking forward to the next 6 weeks. Hope that helped...
 
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