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Glutamine: The ESSENTIAL amino acid...

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Glutamine is a very underestimated weapon in the bodybuilding repertoire.Even while in an enhanced A/S state of metabolic favoribility,IMMUNE SYSTEM response and reaction to the trauma we are inflicting upon ourselves in the gym is an often overlooked impediment in our road to physical self-greatness.Glutamine is a multi-functional ergonic aid.It not only greatly improves immune response/recovery reaction to trauma,but it improves liver function and serves as a very potent cell volumizer,perhaps second only to creatine monohydrate in this regard as a non-drug osmotic enhancer.The following is an abstract which goes into further detail of this tremendous augmentory amino acid.It would be a wise idea to include it in your future bodybuilding arsenal if not already doing so.---Huck

Glutamine: effects on the immune system, protein balance and intestinal functions]
Roth E, Spittler A, Oehler R
Wien Klin Wochenschr 1996 108:669-76

Abstract
Glutamine is the most abundant free amino acid of the human body. In catabolic stress situations such as after operations, trauma and during sepsis the enhanced transport of glutamine to splanchnic organs and to blood cells results in an intracellular depletion of glutamine in skeletal muscle. Glutamine is an important metabolic substrate for cells cultivated under in vitro conditions and is a precursor for purines, pyrimidines and phospholipids. Increasing evidence suggests that glutamine is a crucial substrate for immunocompetent cells. Glutamine depletion in the cultivation medium decreases the mitogen-inducible proliferation of lymphocytes, possibly by arresting the cells in the G0-G1 phase of the cell cycle. Glutamine depletion in lymphocytes prevents the formation of signals necessary for late activation. In monocytes glutamine deprivation downregulates surface antigens responsible for antigen preservation and phagocytosis. Glutamine is a precursor for the synthesis of glutathionine and stimulates the formation of heat-shock proteins. Moreover, there are suggestions that glutamine plays a crucial role in osmotic regulation of cell volume and causes phosphorylation of proteins, both of which may stimulate intracellular protein synthesis. Experimental studies revealed that glutamine deficiency causes a necrotising enterocolitis and increases the mortality of animals subjected to bacterial stress. First clinical studies have demonstrated a decrease in the incidence of infections and a shortening of the hospital stay in patients after bone marrow transplantation by supplementation with glutamine. In critically ill patients parenteral glutamine reduced nitrogen loss and caused a reduction of the mortality rate. In surgical patients glutamine evoked an improvement of several immunological parameters. Moreover, glutamine exerted a trophic effect on the intestinal mucosa, decreased the intestinal permeability and thus may prevent the translocation of bacteria. In conclusion, glutamine is an important metabolic substrate of rapidly proliferating cells, influences the cellular hydration state and has multiple effects on the immune system, on intestinal function and on protein metabolism. In several disease states glutamine may consequently, become an indispensable nutrient, which should be provided exogenously during artificial nutrition.
 
Good info. Any info on dosages? Would there be a time to get off it such as with creatine? I used to take a teaspoon before I went to sleep.
 
Huck, I have read that the Uptake of Glutamine(like Creatine) is diminished when taken with Protein. When would be the best time to take it so that it does not have to compete with receptors?
 
MaGilicuti said:
Good info. Any info on dosages? Would there be a time to get off it such as with creatine? I used to take a teaspoon before I went to sleep.

Most essentail consumption time would be POST-WORKOUT with your protein shake.Take advantage of that window.Secondary would be right before bed,not only to influence GH secretion,but to aid as an anti-catabolic in your overnight fasting state.
 
Good info Huck:D

I take 20g post workout and 20g right before bed. But its getting expensive. Anybody know where to get a decent deal on a high quality industrial sized tub?
 
barnidge said:
Huck, I have read that the Uptake of Glutamine(like Creatine) is diminished when taken with Protein. When would be the best time to take it so that it does not have to compete with receptors?

Barnidge-Glutamine IS a protein building block.Proteins of ANY kind are broken down into segmented amino acid chains and shuttled off to their respected targets.Glutamine PEPTIDES will be absorbed very quickly and will take first priority through the intestinal wall,so taking them with other amino's should pose little problem.
 
Great info, as always Huck. Thankfully, a local hippi store just went out of business and I bought up all their glutamine which was marked down to laughable prices.
 
Informative post mate, so from what you are saying if you just take standard glutamine with your protein shakes it is still digested but just not as quick as with the peptides? because from reading other posts i was under the impression you had to take it at a seperate time with water.

Thanks.
 
Argh! There's too much shit to take. I already pop a gazillion pills per day. Damnit, stop posting good things about all these substances :)
 
freshr1 said:
Argh! There's too much shit to take. I already pop a gazillion pills per day. Damnit, stop posting good things about all these substances :)

LOL I know how you feel brother, I feel like a fucking walking medicine chest. Taking a combo of this or that every 2 to 3 hours, it gets ridiculous :D Great post Huck, I have always taken glutamine and now I know why :p
 
Thaibox said:
Good info Huck:D

I take 20g post workout and 20g right before bed. But its getting expensive. Anybody know where to get a decent deal on a high quality industrial sized tub?

The best deal I know of is at www.kilosports.com

I think it is $40 for a kilogram of glutamine peptides.
 
Hey Huck, just took a scoop ofglutamine-4500 mgs, I do this now three times a day with a 55 g of protein shake, do you think this is sufficiant, if not let me know will ya.

thanks
ORCA
 
orca said:
Hey Huck, just took a scoop ofglutamine-4500 mgs, I do this now three times a day with a 55 g of protein shake, do you think this is sufficiant, if not let me know will ya.

thanks
ORCA

Yep,that will work.I would recommend anywhere from 10-20gs a day.
 
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ok, maybe im going crazy but in walgreens i saw a bottle of 60 pills of "500mgs" for 3.99????? they are in tablet form? is that right?
 
The Great Glutamine!

Glutamine is so underrated. As for competing for absorption with other aminos that's just BS. Companies sponsor research to go in the direction that they pay for. This way it is easier to sell more products. If that was the case GOD would not of put it in our food. I saw in the New England Journal of Medicine that Aids patients were given in excess of 200grams of glutamine per day. The only side effects were improved immune system and an anabolic response. I have always preached the benefits of glutamine, but when I read that I went out and bought 1000 gram that day. Any time I feel under the weather I'll 86 training that day and take 20grams 5 times a day and feel great the next day.

Hope this helped.
asone............................
 
ok guys help me out once more on the doses, im getting confused. Huck you said 10-20mgs, did you mean gms? cause im here reading that people are taking 1000gm a day. IM getting confused....
 
The question about Glutamine

This was a quote from Dr Micheal Colgan:

If you use glutamine, you whack your body with ammonia. Unless kept absolutely dry, glutamine powder degrades into ammonia and pyroglutamic acid. It degrades even if you put it in solution only a few minutes before you drink it, and even in the stomach if you take it dry. Consequently, glutamine is not used with catabolic patients because it adds to their ammonia burden.

Ammonia is toxic to all cells, reduces the formation of glycogen, and inhibits the energy cycle. It has devastating effects on brain function. We still don't know how much it contributes to fatigue, but we do know that the higher the blood ammonia, the poorer your performance.

Apparently, Glutamine supplementation isn't as wholesome as it appears to be.
 
Re: The question about Glutamine

yiyangzhi said:
This was a quote from Dr Micheal Colgan:

If you use glutamine, you whack your body with ammonia. Unless kept absolutely dry, glutamine powder degrades into ammonia and pyroglutamic acid. It degrades even if you put it in solution only a few minutes before you drink it, and even in the stomach if you take it dry. Consequently, glutamine is not used with catabolic patients because it adds to their ammonia burden.

Ammonia is toxic to all cells, reduces the formation of glycogen, and inhibits the energy cycle. It has devastating effects on brain function. We still don't know how much it contributes to fatigue, but we do know that the higher the blood ammonia, the poorer your performance.

Apparently, Glutamine supplementation isn't as wholesome as it appears to be.

woa..lets see what huck sais about this one
 
LOL...Colgan is a Moron who pushes the TwinLab product line...And guess who does not sell a decent,competetive form of glutamine?TWINLAB...Colgan also slammed the hell out of prohormones when they first came out,saying they were worthless(which is true),that they were extremely dangerous,etc.,only to say they were the greatest thing since sliced cheese when Twinlab began marketing their own...same with HMB(which we all know is a joke)...Colgan is a smart guy,but make no doubt about it,he has some very vested interests,and he constantly flip-flops all over the place from one moment to the next depending on what products Twinlab is trying to market...If the above statements he made were true,then they wouldn't use glutamine in trauma patients,or the outcome would be catastrophic,and they use it in INSANE amounts compared to what WE take in...It's nothing but desception on his part to take potential consumers minds off of products that Twinlabs don't have a grip on in the financial market.Watch,if TL comes out with a decently priced glutamine powder product,I promise you Colgan will do a complete 180...Take everything he says with a grain of salt.
 
I read a study that was posted on the supplements board. It basically showed how glutamine is basically just used as an anticatabolic agent (and an expensive one at that), b/c so little of it gets digested and nill amounts will actually reach the muscles to hydrate or bring cell volumization to it. It showed that like half was lost in stomach, then another half lost somewhere else, and so on and so forth and you just ended up w/ such a small amount that was useless to your muscles. It was found as good anticatabolic agent however. I'll do a search and see if i could get this up so you guys can see it. I think this all might be debatable.
 
Actually,risky,that's fairly well known-The intestines always get first priority with glutamine uptake.But we're talking systemic saturation here,in the neighborhood of ten times what you would get after your system has broken the FOOD one consumes down into amino acids...With this type of saturation,overload occurs,and a respectable amount will interact with the targeted cells as well.Just try glutamine in large dosages for a couple of weeks and you will feel different...Your muscles will feel 'pumped' around the clock,and your muscle fatigue/soreness post work out will diminish greatly.
 
So you're saying it would be better to take the l-glutamine w/ other aminos (as in a shake), and it wont compete w/ the other aminos as previously theorized by supplement companies?

And I've tried Glutamine up to 20mg/day. 5mg each dose 4 times/day. I honestly did not feel any different at all, and all doses were taken on empty stomach. My recovery was better but that was it. So i stopped taking it. Am i doing something wrong here?
 
Other amino's shouldn't interfere with it's entry into the cell,as it is the primary amino present in cell occupancy.It could be that you are already getting ample glutamine concentrations through your diet,which may be why you don't notice the volumization effects to any great degree...BTW,glutamine doesn't possess DRAMATIC instant,feelable effects like creatine,it is certainly more subtle in this regard.BUT-it's ability to improve intracellular machinery and processes which are vital to us as bodybuilders(primarily repair)are very important.
 
i agree that this amino acid is essential. taste like shit though :D
had to chew on a 500mg tab today. arrrrrrgggg.
 
I posted that quote from Dr Micheal Colgan as I wanted to clarify whether what he said was true. It felt comforting to know that what he said maybe biased. Thanks Huck.

A study done at Louisiana State University found that consuming just 2gm of glutamine elevated GH approximately 400% 90 minutes later. To be most effective, you should consume glutamine at least 45 minutes to an hour after a meal - when your blood-sugar levels are steady.

Glutamine belongs to the Small Neutral class of aminos. Specific transport molecules will carry it past the blood-brain barrier. This will increase brain neurotransmitters, which in turn increase somatocrinin. This will then stimulate the pituitary to release growth hormone. Aminos that will compete with Glutamine in reaching past the blood-brain barrier are Asparagine, Proline and Serine.
 
Ok ok ... I hate to do this but I read in this book about Food Additives that Glutamine is toxic in high dosages. Anyone else ever hear of this?
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
.Just try glutamine in large dosages for a couple of weeks and you will feel different...

How large is "large"? I came across two studies that said 15-20g, so that's what I pop accordingly (I take the pills)... more?

Thx.
 
DaMan said:


How large is "large"? I came across two studies that said 15-20g, so that's what I pop accordingly (I take the pills)... more?

Thx.

20grams daily will fit the bill,that's much more than your body would normally be able to synthesize out of food.
 
hmmm I have this bottle of L-Glutamine tabs.. they are 500 Mg capsules. How many/how often should I take em - and is this the right stuff?
 
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