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skinnyfromtoptobottom

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Hi.
I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to take

-creatine
-protein shakes
-weight gaines
-glutamine
-amino acids
-dextrose

in my diet? is that too much stuff at once or can you do that when trying to gain mass?
if i can do that, when and how should i take glutamine, amino acids and dextrose?
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
Hi.
I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to take

-creatine
-protein shakes
-weight gaines
-glutamine
-amino acids
-dextrose

in my diet? is that too much stuff at once or can you do that when trying to gain mass?
if i can do that, when and how should i take glutamine, amino acids and dextrose?
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Just do a search on each topic or item my friend. For starters, the above is good for adding mass if done properly. Glutamine, amino acids and dextrose are particularily effective post w/o.
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
Hi.
I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to take

-creatine
-protein shakes
-weight gaines
-glutamine
-amino acids
-dextrose

in my diet? is that too much stuff at once or can you do that when trying to gain mass?
if i can do that, when and how should i take glutamine, amino acids and dextrose?
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All depends on your diet....

I would take creatine 3 times a day at 5g intervals, while protein is to be taken upon your protein needs. Weight gainers are really not needed, but I think you can switch them as Meal-replacements. Glutamine, take 10g of glutamine post-workout and 10g before bed. Amino acids, if you know how to load Aminos post workout then do so, deplete first then load up.

Dextrose, being so high on the GI scale, I recommend doing only post workout, or on a carb-up.

Mr.X
 
Mr X. What is the protocol for Amino loading post workout?
Do you recommend the 6g cocktail of aminos prior to workout as being suggested by research?
 
PANTS said:
Mr X. What is the protocol for Amino loading post workout?
Do you recommend the 6g cocktail of aminos prior to workout as being suggested by research?
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The best way is to start the load 2 sets before your workout ends, take 2g of aa before the workout is done (2sets left) then do two GRUELING sets to get the maximum pump (even if you have to do 100reps). Then take 4g immediately followed by a protein/dextrose shake.

Mr.X
 
what is the idea of taking aa DURING workout? will they be transported into (damaged) muscle cells immediately after i've taken them (so still during workout and maybe even during those 2 following sets)?
 
oh, i forgot about that:
why should i even bother taking dextrose? i've once read i can/should take it, but dextrose is sugar, right? and isn't it right that too much sugar will burn muscles somehow?


and will taking all that stuff fuck up stomachs?
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
what is the idea of taking aa DURING workout? will they be transported into (damaged) muscle cells immediately after i've taken them (so still during workout and maybe even during those 2 following sets)?
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Not, it's not the same, the glycogen transport chain and the blood flodd will increase the amino acid uptake 10fold before the workout is done.

Mr.X
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
oh, i forgot about that:
why should i even bother taking dextrose? i've once read i can/should take it, but dextrose is sugar, right? and isn't it right that too much sugar will burn muscles somehow?


and will taking all that stuff fuck up stomachs?
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Too much sugar burn muscle???!!!....NO!

That' s new one, I'll have to add that to my bodybuilding myth list. Nope, it is absolutely incorrect, and the "f** up stomach" part is also incorrect.

Mr.X
 
but what is the point about too much sugar? there's gotta be one. or why do so many people say weight gainers suck, they put too much sugar inside or don't drink any juice, too much sugar, and the like?
is there really NO negative aspect about sugar?
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
but what is the point about too much sugar? there's gotta be one. or why do so many people say weight gainers suck, they put too much sugar inside or don't drink any juice, too much sugar, and the like?
is there really NO negative aspect about sugar?
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Please, do your research, there is a SEARCH button on top of this page....it can help you.

Sugar will refill muscle glycogen and spike insuline to shuttle glucose and some of that protein into the muscle; thus, creating a state of anabolism after a catabolic workout. Weight gainers "suck" because you're buying the wrong ones.

Mr.X
 
MR X: I'm very interested in your theory. But I'd like to point you to the following thread:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185324&highlight=amino+acids

In it a Dr Eric Serrano, M.D. and Jeff Stout suggest:
"taken before training high doses of the branched chain family along with some very specific other amino acids, plays an elaborate trick by flooding the blood with free fatty acids to prevent muscle break down long before it is supposed to begin. As a result an alternative fuel source is available for use (FFA) and muscle fibers you have worked hard to earn are spared that function"
Also:
"In a study at the University of Texas, volunteers performed a training bout consisting of: 10 sets x 8 reps of leg presses at 80% of their maximum and 8 sets x 8 reps of leg-press extensions at 80% of their maximum. The entire leg workout took about 50 minutes and the sets included all warm-ups.

Those volunteers who swallowed some EAA cocktail (6 grams, or 6000 mg. of essential amino acids plus 35 grams of sucrose), significantly increased blood levels of their amino acids. The increased total net phenylalanine, an indicator of muscle protein gain, by 158%, when the EAAs were taken before training.

So, in this study, it's clear that an essential amino acid cocktail has greater effects on protein synthesis when it's consumed before training versus after training"

I do have my doubts about the article but it does seem to make scientific sense.

Also your theory is reliant on the Amino tabs being broken down extremely quickly. I doubt they would be entering my vessels for a good hour after my workout, so why the rush to consume before the last 2 sets?
With this in mind the consumption of Aminos prior to workout seems a more viable option than post workout. Post workout I would say you're better off with the quick digesting whey/dextrose option?
Let me know your opinions.
P.
 
PANTS said:
MR X: I'm very interested in your theory. But I'd like to point you to the following thread:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185324&highlight=amino+acids

In it a Dr Eric Serrano, M.D. and Jeff Stout suggest:
"taken before training high doses of the branched chain family along with some very specific other amino acids, plays an elaborate trick by flooding the blood with free fatty acids to prevent muscle break down long before it is supposed to begin. As a result an alternative fuel source is available for use (FFA) and muscle fibers you have worked hard to earn are spared that function"
Also:
"In a study at the University of Texas, volunteers performed a training bout consisting of: 10 sets x 8 reps of leg presses at 80% of their maximum and 8 sets x 8 reps of leg-press extensions at 80% of their maximum. The entire leg workout took about 50 minutes and the sets included all warm-ups.

Those volunteers who swallowed some EAA cocktail (6 grams, or 6000 mg. of essential amino acids plus 35 grams of sucrose), significantly increased blood levels of their amino acids. The increased total net phenylalanine, an indicator of muscle protein gain, by 158%, when the EAAs were taken before training.

So, in this study, it's clear that an essential amino acid cocktail has greater effects on protein synthesis when it's consumed before training versus after training"

I do have my doubts about the article but it does seem to make scientific sense.

Also your theory is reliant on the Amino tabs being broken down extremely quickly. I doubt they would be entering my vessels for a good hour after my workout, so why the rush to consume before the last 2 sets?
With this in mind the consumption of Aminos prior to workout seems a more viable option than post workout. Post workout I would say you're better off with the quick digesting whey/dextrose option?
Let me know your opinions.
P.
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That is why you take liquid amino acids on a nearly empty stomach, to increase absorption. Most people will use the pre-workout BCAA as FUEL during the workout; thus, not using muscle glycogen. In turn, when post workout carbs are consumed: #1) no anabolism will happen #2)potential fat-gain is possible

The whole point to this is that liquid aminos are the best, but even the caps (filled w/ POWDER) can digest fairly quickly.

Mr.X
 
So just to conclude:
Any Aminos taken prior to workout will be used as fuel.
>Are you saying Serrano & Stout are wrong?
Also:
One should consume 2g of Aminos at the end of the workout,
followed by 4g immediately post workout.
> Does this not vary according to Body weight?
>The 6g grams in total, are these All aminos or just Essential Amino Acids?
> Can these be the tablet form or do they have to be liquid?

P.
 
One should consume 2g of Aminos at the end of the workout,
followed by 4g immediately post workout.
> Does this not vary according to Body weight?
at time, but it's mostly based on 180lbs.-220lbs.
>The 6g grams in total, are these All aminos or just Essential Amino Acids?
ALL aminos of course
> Can these be the tablet form or do they have to be liquid?
liquid only

Mr.X
 
Can you recommend a good Liquid Amino source, or are we talking any good Whey powder which is high in Amino's?
Thanx again,
P
 
MrX,
Sorry to go on about this, I just wanna do things right.
If you want the Aminos to arrive at their intended source by the end of the workout, would not consuming Amino tabs immediately prior to workout be just as effective?
They would take quite some time to be digested,no?
P.
 
PANTS said:
MrX,
Sorry to go on about this, I just wanna do things right.
If you want the Aminos to arrive at their intended source by the end of the workout, would not consuming Amino tabs immediately prior to workout be just as effective?
They would take quite some time to be digested,no?
P.
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Like I said, no tabs; I don't like tabs....tabs=bad, slow digestion. I would ONLY use liquid; otherwise, you have to start taking them about 4-5 sets out from the end of the workout.

Mr.X
 
How long do you think the tabs take to digest then?

OK, So won't Whey protein do the same trick as the liquid aminos?
 
How long do you think the tabs take to digest then?
different times, based on concentration and the outer casing....really it can be 2-40min...that's too long of a span to guess, sometimes more sometimes less.

OK, So won't Whey protein do the same trick as the liquid aminos?
Nope, whey will not do the same....just because you mix it w/ water, it doesn't automatically become liquid AA

Mr.X
 
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