Glucophage (Metformin) ?

[christian40]

I know there are a lot of treads about this drug here and I have read a lot of them. But the one thing I still don't really know is DOES IT WORK to help reduce body fat? If I could get some personal view on this point from people who have used it before that would be great. I have a lot if it and am not wanting to take another drug if the consensus is its shit! Thx for your time, Christian40..

 

[christian40]

no opinions. Really? Ok then.lol.

 

[UncleBee]

It depends what your history with lifting and weight loss is. How old are you? What do you weigh? What do you want to weigh? Do yo lift? to get big or just look better? What is your diet like? What have you done in the past for weight loss? Answer these and I'll tell you if it's worth it.

 

[st8grad]

Yes. Absolutely will help you lose fat. Curbs innapropriate insulin response and will improve insulin sensitivity. Ramp up in dosage to see how you adjust. 500mg before meals then 750mg....I wouldn't go to 1000mg. There are loads of MD's by me that use it for weight loss.

 

[FunFun]

Save using these type of drugs until you really need them when you're Type 2 diabetic. There are plenty of far more conservative (and healthier) ways to lose bodyfat. How about watching your diet and doing cardio for starters.

I'm prediabetic myself, but not advanced enough yet to need metformin, but I cringe when I hear of healthy guys resorting to these types of drugs just to lose bodyfat. It's criminal.

 

[st8grad]

There are some thoughts that it is actually a safe route to go to help normalize insulin response and lose body fat. There is a small risk of lactic acidosis, so, yes this probably should be managed by your doctor. This can be very helpful for the pre-diabetic folks or those with syndrome x, etc.

However, a shift in eating habits is crucial. These 400g of carbs per day people are out of their minds. When studies came out about the need for carbs and athletes, they were talking about real ATHLETES. Jay Cutler, Lance Armstrong, Brian Urlacher, etc.

This isn't to say that most guys here don't work hard in the gym, etc. But if your body stores enough glycogen to run 21-23 miles before hitting a wall, how much do you really blast through lifting for 1 hour? For those that think those marathoners run long and slow, think again. They are under 5 minute miles the whole way. I defy anyone on this board to run 1 mile in under 5 minutes.

Meat, veggies, nuts, and some fruit. No bread, no dairy, easy on the beer....no diabetes.

 

[FunFun]

Meat, veggies, nuts, and some fruit. No bread, no dairy, easy on the beer....no diabetes.

It is a bit ambiguous as to what exactly you mean by this statement, but I wish to make one point clear.

Controlling blood sugar by adjusting the carbs in the diet does NOT cure diabetes despite the fact that it can keep the blood sugar levels at normal in some people who are not advanced.

Control does not equal cure. A perfectly normal person can eat what they like and still maintain their blood sugar levels within the normal range.

 

[UncleBee]

Christian buddy,..I would wait to listen to either answer until you can give further details of your current situation.

Why? yo ask....
Well, if you are new to serious dieting and haven't tries all your options then you want to hold off on this one. If you are an avid lifter and have kept your diet in COMPLETE check for years and still have that last little bit of fat to lose and have tries ALL OTHER OPTIONS, then it might be worth it. If you have a history of Diabetes in your family then I would say no, just in case you get it yourself and that just happens to be what the doctor gives to you.

Also, IF this is the route you plan to take, just to be on the safe side you may want to go to your Doc to get a complete blood work-up done and check your lipid profile to make sure your healthy enough to take this without having doctor supervision to do so.

So the answer is, YES, it will help you lose some fat, if taken correctly, and NO, if this is your first crack at getting lean and have no experience with dieting and working out.

Also, if you can, get a glucometer to check your blood sugar often as to not go hypo.

The comment about control is semi right. To completely control your sugar and insulin response you need to keep track of more than just the amount of carbs you consume. Mainly its ability to release insulin and at what rate and for what length of time.

 

[Wulfgar]

the key to getting truly huge is insulin sensitivity. Glucophage is one way to help that. If anyone is interested i can post up some cycles to really create a tremendously insulin sensitive environment in the body. let me know

 

[FunFun]

The comment about control is semi right. To completely control your sugar and insulin response you need to keep track of more than just the amount of carbs you consume. Mainly its ability to release insulin and at what rate and for what length of time.

I disagree. "Contol does not equal cure"...there's no "semi right" to that statement...it's black and white. Just to alleviate any confusion, I'm talking about type 2 diabetes.

I didn't go into a lengthy discussion on how to control because we'd need another forum to discuss that. Carbs are the main factor with diabetics.

A lot of people get their blood sugar levels under control with diet and exercise to a level where the readings are normal and mistakingly believe they've been cured. Prediabetics are often in denial...it's a hard pill to swallow.

 

[christian40]

Christian buddy,..I would wait to listen to either answer until you can give further details of your current situation.

Why? yo ask....
Well, if you are new to serious dieting and haven't tries all your options then you want to hold off on this one. If you are an avid lifter and have kept your diet in COMPLETE check for years and still have that last little bit of fat to lose and have tries ALL OTHER OPTIONS, then it might be worth it. If you have a history of Diabetes in your family then I would say no, just in case you get it yourself and that just happens to be what the doctor gives to you.

Also, IF this is the route you plan to take, just to be on the safe side you may want to go to your Doc to get a complete blood work-up done and check your lipid profile to make sure your healthy enough to take this without having doctor supervision to do so.

So the answer is, YES, it will help you lose some fat, if taken correctly, and NO, if this is your first crack at getting lean and have no experience with dieting and working out.

Also, if you can, get a glucometer to check your blood sugar often as to not go hypo.

The comment about control is semi right. To completely control your sugar and insulin response you need to keep track of more than just the amount of carbs you consume. Mainly its ability to release insulin and at what rate and for what length of time.

Thanks for all the concern. I am 5'8", 210lbs,I would think 15%bf. I have been lifting all my life but actively again for just over 2 years. I am running Test and Deca right now at moderate doses. I have heard good things about the metformin. I have the fat on my belly I just cant loose. My diet is fairly clean. Bot 300 cals a day and 225-250 gms of protien. I just though if it was safe to take I would give it a shot. But it sounds like it could be a health gamble. My girl takes it for a stomach prob and she has no ill sides with it at all. Maybe with this info you can better assess my use. Thx, Christian...

 

[UncleBee]

Christian, what do you do for cardio and fat loss? Are you on any fatburners besides your current cycle? How long have you been at 210lbs.? It sounds like you may be ok to try it, but do so will humility. Don't lose sight of what your doing and get yourself into trouble with your sugar.

To the comment about semi-right, I did not mean as a cure. I know that, who doesn't. I said as a control.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

wulgar can u please post how to increase inslulin sensitvity please

cheers

 

[christian40]

Christian, what do you do for cardio and fat loss? Are you on any fatburners besides your current cycle? How long have you been at 210lbs.? It sounds like you may be ok to try it, but do so will humility. Don't lose sight of what your doing and get yourself into trouble with your sugar.

To the comment about semi-right, I did not mean as a cure. I know that, who doesn't. I said as a control.

Well for now im in a bulk so nothing for cardio now. But after this run Ill want to cut of course. Ill do my normal lower cal diet and I usually do 3 cardio sessions a week of say 20-30 mins on a elliptical trainer. I dont take any other fat burners in a cut phase other that ephera. I expect to be probably weigh 217lbs after this cycle and will have say 25 pounds of fat I could loose to get me down to say 8-9 %BF. I have not ever gotten that low and I always have a layer of fat on stomach that keeps my abs hidden. Hence the wanting to try the metformin during my up coming cut phase.

 

[Wulfgar]

ya ill put the cycle together...give me a day or 2 to get it done

 

[FunFun]

To the comment about semi-right, I did not mean as a cure. I know that, who doesn't. I said as a control.

A very large percentage of people don't know that.

Even people with diabetes who post on diabetic forums don't understand.

That's the reason why I made the point in the first place.

 

[aquatic_glories]

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