gluceroll questions

[hoteacher]

I have a couple of question inregards to using gluceroll. I have in the past ONLY used gluceroll for my cheat meal once per week when consuming large amounts of pizza . The rest of my diet during the week consists ONLY of good high fiber carbs (sweet potato, spinach, brown rice, etc)....should I be taking the gluceroll with these carbs as well?

Also, I know that it is important to take the gluceroll with high glycemic carbs like a cheat meal...but I am also taking in high glycemic carbs in my post workout shake (I take in 25 g of iso whey and apple juice). Should I be taking gluceroll with my post shake? Or do I WANT the INSULIN SPIKE post workout?

Thanks for your time!

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Don't take it PWO.

You can take it with ANY other carb meal, even on non-cheat days. You don't need to take it with fibrous carbs - such as veggies. But you should take it with the starchy ones - potato, rice, even oatmeal.

In general, 1 pill for every 30g carbs.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

apple juice is a lot of fructose.. you might consider something more dextrose oriented for post workout.

with respect to insulin response, fasting insulin levels are enough for amino uptake. IMHO the anabolic effects of insulin itself are highly overated, the tissue that it has most effect in is fat.

 

[LindaKH]

Don't take it PWO.

You can take it with ANY other carb meal, even on non-cheat days. You don't need to take it with fibrous carbs - such as veggies. But you should take it with the starchy ones - potato, rice, even oatmeal.

In general, 1 pill for every 30g carbs.

Daisy--Why not take it PWO? Is the insulin spike desireable at that point? Thanks so much
Linda

 

[Elana]

Hi Daisy

Why would you take a glucerol before a complex carbohydrate like brown rice and oatmeal? Those are complex carbohydrates, so aren't those good carbs and don't spike the insulin? In my understanding of the use of glucerol its use was to protect you from the spike? Am I wrong? Thank you

 

[Daisy_Girl]

LINDAKH ... I am not the best person to ask that question to. I have never believed in taking in carbs PWO, so I don't know a lot about the response, nor the reasoning behind it. The Shadow, Macro or Ulter would be good ones to ask. Here is a good thread that discusses why/why not take it PWO.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393957&highlight=r-ala


ELENA .... You don't just take Gluc-R to reduce insulin. It can help reduce the amt of carbs converted to fats. Just because a carb is complex, does not make it perfect.


Here is a good explanation of Gluc-R from Ulter:

Originally Posted by Ulter
Short answer:

Glucorell R taken before carb meals, insures those carbs are disposed of properly into your muscles helping you to maintain healthy low insulin levels, which is a powerful aid in preventing you from getting fat or insulin resistant. Go ahead and eat the carbs, but use Glucorell R first.

Glucose is what your body makes out of the carbohydrates you eat. Then your insulin shuttles that glucose around your body to the cells to use as food. Glucorell R™ makes your muscle cells accept several times more glucose than you do now. By causing the muscle cells to take up so much more glucose you are preventing it from going to the fat cells. That way you are helping to make your muscles stronger while preventing all that glucose from going to your fat cells. When your fat cells get the glucose it makes you fat and over time may eventually cause insulin resistance, leading to adult onset diabetes.

Here are some good threads on Gluc-R. They are worth reading.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263704&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336014&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347681&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

 

[LindaKH]

Thank you so much Daisy.
~Linda

 

[Elana]

Thanks Daisy

 

[The Shadow]

LINDAKH ... I am not the best person to ask that question to. I have never believed in taking in carbs PWO, so I don't know a lot about the response, nor the reasoning behind it. The Shadow, Macro or Ulter would be good ones to ask. Here is a good thread that discusses why/why not take it PWO.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393957&highlight=r-ala


ELENA .... You don't just take Gluc-R to reduce insulin. It can help reduce the amt of carbs converted to fats. Just because a carb is complex, does not make it perfect.


Here is a good explanation of Gluc-R from Ulter:



Here are some good threads on Gluc-R. They are worth reading.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263704&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336014&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347681&highlight=glucorell+carbohydrates

IMHO - it really depends on the TYPE of carbs taken in PWO.

DO I think PWO carbs are absolutely necessary?

No.


I do believe they help reduce the catabolic state when taken after training as it is unlikely that those carb cals will be stored as fat as they are going to replenish depleted stores.

This anabolic window that is talked about PWO is the optimum time, imo, to take most of your daily supplements.....ala(if you are taking in carbs PWO) and even creatine(although I recommend 2x per day).

Since its a generaly accepted fact that you body has this "special" window post training...why not accentuate it by providing nutrients(protein, carbs, supplements) while in a depleted state?

 

[LindaKH]

IMHO - it really depends on the TYPE of carbs taken in PWO.

DO I think PWO carbs are absolutely necessary?

No.


I do believe they help reduce the catabolic state when taken after training as it is unlikely that those carb cals will be stored as fat as they are going to replenish depleted stores.

This anabolic window that is talked about PWO is the optimum time, imo, to take most of your daily supplements.....ala(if you are taking in carbs PWO) and even creatine(although I recommend 2x per day).

Since its a generaly accepted fact that you body has this "special" window post training...why not accentuate it by providing nutrients(protein, carbs, supplements) while in a depleted state?

Thanks for that explanation Shadow--My carbs are from rice cakes in my PWO meal (and a pro shake)--would the glucorell be good to take with that type of carb?
Thanks again
Linda

 

[The Shadow]

Thanks for that explanation Shadow--My carbs are from rice cakes in my PWO meal (and a pro shake)--would the glucorell be good to take with that type of carb?
Thanks again
Linda

Depends...what type of carbs are in the PWO shake?

 

[LindaKH]

Depends...what type of carbs are in the PWO shake?

I mix it with water so only get the carbs that are in the protein powder which totals 3 carbs, plus 48 carbs from the rice cakes.
thanks

 

[hoteacher]

Shadow, Macro or Daisy,

I follow the following carb cycle, feeding my body higher carbs on larger muscle days:

Chest/Bis-High carb ( apx 200 g)
Shoulders-Low carb (apx 100g)
Legs-High carb (apx 300g)
Back-Higher carbs (apx 200)
Day off-Low carbs (apx 100g)
Then recycle again.....I do cheat once per week with one meal of pizza with apx. 5 caps of gluceroll...i do eat apx. a whole small pizza on my own (12inch). Is this enough gluceroll?

To be honest I am putting everything into fitday...and coming up with 60%protein: 30%carbs and 10% fat. I am getting most of my carbs from the post workout shake...the apple juice....but you think this is bad? due to fructose? What if i just eat a meal within the hour and a half of working out that includes a lean protein and a complex carb like oatmeal? I work out very early in the am and eat oatmeal mixed with whey iso 45 min before lifting (apx at 4am) (will now start taking glluceroll with this first meal) then drive to gym and workout from 5-6am, then eat at like 7:30 am. Am I missing the window? Because I am a teacher i am limited to when i can eat. I just found that when I drink a post workout shake and then eat again at 7:30...which i have to do becuase i don't get to eat again until 11:00 or so I was taking in so many calories in the am.

I guess what I am asking is how important is this post shake? And MUST you eat within that hour? IF so...is it okay to only take in lets say 100 calories with 11gprotein and 15g complex cars post so that I don't rack up the calories? OR can i skip the post shake and simply eat more oatmeal (with gluceroll now) and whey at 7:30 am (hour and half after lifting)?

Thanks for your time!

 

[playmatesky]

See everything here is pretty different than what I follow. My nutrtionist stresses no fat after a workout and to have good carbs within 10 minutes of training. Like a post workout shake with water or a small potatoe or something.
I have started Glucorell and use 1 pill to every 30 grams of carbs.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

See everything here is pretty different than what I follow. My nutrtionist stresses no fat after a workout and to have good carbs within 10 minutes of training. Like a post workout shake with water or a small potatoe or something.
I have started Glucorell and use 1 pill to every 30 grams of carbs.

No different than what I have always heard and what Shadow always says. Although, a faster carb such as maltodextrin or dextrose is better and faster absorbing than a potato.

I PERSONALLY just don't like carbs after a workout. I never found them to make a difference for MY BODY.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I guess what I am asking is how important is this post shake? And MUST you eat within that hour? IF so...is it okay to only take in lets say 100 calories with 11gprotein and 15g complex cars post so that I don't rack up the calories? OR can i skip the post shake and simply eat more oatmeal (with gluceroll now) and whey at 7:30 am (hour and half after lifting)?

Thanks for your time!

post workout is the window where what you eat has the least negative impact (so if you are going to "rack up the calories"-- thats when to do it)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

^^

 

[macrophage69alpha]

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