Give me your opinion

[cityhick]

Alright guys I finally got my gear in my hands. And need to make a final decision. Here is what I recieved.


2-Test E ( 250mg/ml at 10ML)
1-Tbol (10mg/Ml at 50 ML)
1-Clen (100mcg/ml at 50Ml)

Plenty of Nolva. Adex. HCG. on hand.

Here is where I want your guys opinion. This is my FIRST cycle.

1) Should I run Test at a simple 300-350mg a week and not fuck with the TBOL

2) Should I jumpstart with Tbol

3) Think I should use clen in with PCT?

4) Not jump start with TBol but run the Test at 500mg.

 

[Bruce]

410 would not take any of those options. he would run the test at about 415mg a week which is like .8cc twice a week. kickstart with tbol 40mg ed for weeks 1-4. can't help you with clen

 

[JuicedAthletics]

1.5cc's of test per week
40mg of the oral to jumpstart for the first month..

Use the clen during PCT. It really helps motivate you to push hard even when coming down..

 

[andyjb]

you will need more tbol there bro

you have about 12days worth 40mg?

test 500mg is a solid start, i would look to run at least 40mgED of TBol for 4weeks (112Ml)
therefore my suggestion is jumpstart (1-4) with Tbol if you can get more if not save it for another cycle and just run 500mg of test you'll grow with that anyway.
Hope this helps



ANDY

 

[cityhick]

Anyone ever run it at Tbol 20mg for 2 weeks? is that simply not enough? Well if its not I will wait till next cycle/order to run it. Its my first cycle and I kinda want to exspirence each drug by itself.... I prob am going to wait and then just run the Tbol at 40 Mgs a day for 4 weeks on the next one.

 

[used2juice]

Leave the tbol out, you don't have enought of it. But like Bruce said, up the test since you have enough.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

get more test. get an AI.

not a fan of tbol, but some people love it.

clen... some people reccomend it for PCT, though it may be suppressive of recovery.

though this has not been verified, there is some evidence for it
Am J Vet Res. 1995 Nov;56(11):1493-7. Related Articles, Links


Down-regulation of beta-adrenergic receptors and up-regulation of estrogen and progesterone receptors induced in the reproductive system of female veal calves by dietary clenbuterol.

Re G, Badino P, Novelli A, Girardi C.

Department of Animal Pathology, University of Turin, Italy.

Effects induced by long-term administration of clenbuterol at anabolic dosages (20 micrograms/kg of body weight for 40 days) on beta-adrenergic receptor (beta-AR) subtypes, estrogen receptors (ER), and progesterone receptors (PgR) in the reproductive system of female veal calves were investigated. Clenbuterol treatment induced a significant (P < 0.01) down-regulation of beta-AR subtypes (beta 1-AR, beta 2-AR, myometrial high-affinity beta 2-AR, and ovarian low-affinity beta 2-AR). On the other hand, a significant (P < 0.01) increase of uterine and ovarian ER and PgR receptors was observed in treated calves. Treatment did not affect dissociation constant values of beta-AR, ER, or PgR. In similar manner, clenbuterol did not significantly modify distribution of ER and PgR in the various tissues of the genital tract. In fact, these receptors were significantly (P < 0.05) more concentrated in the uterus than in the vagina in treated and untreated calves. Data indicated that prolonged clenbuterol exposure induced homologous beta-AR down-regulation (down-regulation of its specific receptors) and heterologous ER and PgR up-regulation (up-regulation of different types of receptors, not specifically bound by clenbuterol) in the genital tract of veal calves. Modification of the receptorial status could be reasonably related to the pathologic changes observed in long-term treated calves (eg, hydrometra, dilatation of uterine glands, cystic ovaries). The increased concentrations of ER and PgR suggested the possible existence of subcellular mechanisms regulated by repeated beta-adrenergic stimulation.

 

[cityhick]

Thanks guys. K to all. Test only it is. Prob around 350-400 Ill decide soon.

 

[shoestring]

Thanks guys. K to all. Test only it is. Prob around 350-400 Ill decide soon.

Good choice imo.. I did 250-300mg / week and gained 30lbs.. Try a low dose for the first go and see what happens. You can always do other shit down the raod if you want to.