Ghosts: What do you believe ?

[Tassie]

I'm wondering, when it comes to Ghosts, what do you believe? Are they real, or is it juz peoples imaginations running wild?

For me personally, I think if there were ghosts who could travel throughout time & space, why the heck would they waste time knocking on doors, walking up & down stairs & leaving funny smells of old lady perfume where they use to live? Don't they have access to...heaven?

How did they, if they exhist, manage to get out of heaven / hell? Wouldn't their be security to prevent people getting out of hell & getting into heaven?

Anyway...what says you?

 

[Arabian]

I believe in ghost and bigfoot...

 

[silent says]

Hang on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I just heard something!.

 

[Smurfy]

No.

next

 

[wills_got_rythm]

I've seen one before and I wasnt drunk or stoned!!!

 

[musclemom]

There's more than one type of "ghost." For the most part, in times of extreme emotion, energy imprints on a geographic location, like a photograph or a looped video. Under the right circumstances the video plays.

Young people entering adolescence are the cause of "poltergeist" activity. Whether they themselves are creating the disruptions or drawing other energy to them in their time of transition, not my place to say.

Ghosts in terms of cognizant, disembodied entities do happen but are extremely rare. Most people don't have the strength of will or purpose to stick around here for any length of time.

The most common type of paranormal activity attributed to "ghosts" is in the first category.

 

[AAP]

There's more than one type of "ghost." For the most part, in times of extreme emotion, energy imprints on a geographic location, like a photograph or a looped video. Under the right circumstances the video plays.

Young people entering adolescence are the cause of "poltergeist" activity. Whether they themselves are creating the disruptions or drawing other energy to them in their time of transition, not my place to say.

Ghosts in terms of cognizant, disembodied entities do happen but are extremely rare. Most people don't have the strength of will or purpose to stick around here for any length of time.

The most common type of paranormal activity attributed to "ghosts" is in the first category.

Exactly. Energy imbalance is the main cause.

 

[Mr. dB]

There's no such thing as a spirit or afterlife or non-corporeal entity. Consciousness is a result of organic brain function.

 

[Arabian]

Now that we solved the ghost issue.. What about Bigfoot.. the footprints, sightings etc: theres to much smoke not to be any fire..

 

[jd_uk]

There's more than one type of "ghost." For the most part, in times of extreme emotion, energy imprints on a geographic location, like a photograph or a looped video. Under the right circumstances the video plays.

Young people entering adolescence are the cause of "poltergeist" activity. Whether they themselves are creating the disruptions or drawing other energy to them in their time of transition, not my place to say.

Ghosts in terms of cognizant, disembodied entities do happen but are extremely rare. Most people don't have the strength of will or purpose to stick around here for any length of time.

The most common type of paranormal activity attributed to "ghosts" is in the first category.

May i ask what makes you sound so certain about this first category?

I can't see how an event (or change of energy) can imprint itself in spacetime. Just because energy can't be destroyed doesn't mean it can just get stuck in a loop. Any energy from an event will eventually be lost as other forms. I certainly can't see how a future event can somehow trigger this past event to be seen again. Sounds very fictional to me. Personally i think this is just an argument used by people who like to believe in the paranormal trying to use physics to explain it when in reality physics can actually disprove it.

 

[jd_uk]

Exactly. Energy imbalance is the main cause.

??? whats's an energy 'imbalance'?

 

[musclemom]

May i ask what makes you sound so certain about this first category?

I can't see how an event (or change of energy) can imprint itself in spacetime. Just because energy can't be destroyed doesn't mean it can just get stuck in a loop. Any energy from an event will eventually be lost as other forms. I certainly can't see how a future event can somehow trigger this past event to be seen again. Sounds very fictional to me. Personally i think this is just an argument used by people who like to believe in the paranormal trying to use physics to explain it when in reality physics can actually disprove it.

I'm forced to assume you are not capable of sensing energies moving through/surrounding living beings. I can and it's not an uncommon skill among the people in my "circles," in fact it's a basic skill taught in workshops. That's how I'm certain.

A person who has been born blind could question anything a sighted person sees, "How can you prove to me there are clouds in the sky?" or "What do you mean you stand on the ocean shore and look out and see nothing but water, prove it." Since the blind person does not possess the sense to observe the phenomenon they lack the ability to perceive it, ergo, prove it exists to them. Impossible task.

Anybody has the ability to perceive energies, and much more, so called "extrasensory perception." The problem is most of us don't use the skill and like an unused muscle, it atrophies and fades. Were you so inclined you yourself could develop the ability to perceive energy. It's not very hard. It starts with developing the skill to quiet your mind, learned through regular meditation, then allowing yourself to be aware, to acknowledge the things you begin to perceive. It just takes time, a will to learn, a certain openness, and persistence.

Minerals, stones, many inanimate objects, possess the inherant ability to be energetically programmed, to retain a certain vibration. Under the right circumstances, the right building materials, etc., a powerful release of emotion programs the surrounding rocks, earth and so forth.

Ever wonder why native people's had places of power? It's not that those places were pretty or anything like that, shit happened in those places, rituals worked, you can feel the energy sometimes, literally pressing in on you. I've been to a few subtle places of power and the demarcation between where the energies begin, peak and fall off is clearly noticable.

 

[jd_uk]

I'm forced to assume you are not capable of sensing energies moving through/surrounding living beings. I can and it's not an uncommon skill among the people in my "circles," in fact it's a basic skill taught in workshops. That's how I'm certain.

A person who has been born blind could question anything a sighted person sees, "How can you prove to me there are clouds in the sky?" or "What do you mean you stand on the ocean shore and look out and see nothing but water, prove it." Since the blind person does not possess the sense to observe the phenomenon they lack the ability to perceive it, ergo, prove it exists to them. Impossible task.

Anybody has the ability to perceive energies, and much more, so called "extrasensory perception." The problem is most of us don't use the skill and like an unused muscle, it atrophies and fades. Were you so inclined you yourself could develop the ability to perceive energy. It's not very hard. It starts with developing the skill to quiet your mind, learned through regular meditation, then allowing yourself to be aware, to acknowledge the things you begin to perceive. It just takes time, a will to learn, a certain openness, and persistence.

Minerals, stones, many inanimate objects, possess the inherant ability to be energetically programmed, to retain a certain vibration. Under the right circumstances, the right building materials, etc., a powerful release of emotion programs the surrounding rocks, earth and so forth.

Ever wonder why native people's had places of power? It's not that those places were pretty or anything like that, shit happened in those places, rituals worked, you can feel the energy sometimes, literally pressing in on you. I've been to a few subtle places of power and the demarcation between where the energies begin, peak and fall off is clearly noticable.

So you know that energy becomes trapped to later be sensed as a ghost because you can sense this yourself?

Why do you think that it has so far been impossible to scientifically record any of this energy? Why have experiments to get any evidence of this trapped enrgy been consistently dissapointing? Is it because the human body is the only instrument magnificent enough to sense this trapped energy (even though physics as we undertand it, suggests that the energy cannot not become trapped anyway), or is it just that the human brain is all too susceptible to making mistakes?

My problem with this idea is that humans can record energy and events from around 13.5 billion years ago (the believed beginning of the universe) and yet we can't record this supposed 'trapped' energy which is apparently right in front of us on a relatively young planet like earth.

Of course it's very easy to say "it's impossible to prove unless you can sense it for yourself" but it's just as easy for me to say that your mind is playing tricks on you/you're reading too much into things. That is, if you really believe what you're saying (which i think you do). If it exists then it should be detectable and i think we are more advanced than to have missed this in the millions of experiments performed. Again, the laws of physics suggest that this idea is impossible and as yet the current laws have always been proved to be true.

I can respect what you're saying because it is impossible for me to prove it completely wrong as you mentioned but in my opinion it is extremely unlikely.

 

[binö]

No.

next

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[Mr. dB]

One of the strongest forces in the universe is the human mind's power of delusion and self-deception.

 

[b0und]

I'm forced to assume you are not capable of sensing energies moving through/surrounding living beings. I can and it's not an uncommon skill among the people in my "circles," in fact it's a basic skill taught in workshops. That's how I'm certain.

A person who has been born blind could question anything a sighted person sees, "How can you prove to me there are clouds in the sky?" or "What do you mean you stand on the ocean shore and look out and see nothing but water, prove it." Since the blind person does not possess the sense to observe the phenomenon they lack the ability to perceive it, ergo, prove it exists to them. Impossible task.

Poor analogy.

Clouds, water, steam - can all be proven to exist, can be measured, quantified, even without sight.

This energy you say you can sense.

Can you measure it? In joules or anything? Can you verify its existence?

If I say I see little green aliens running around our planet controlling everyones actions/thoughts/lives that still doesn't mean they really exist, unless you can scientifically prove them.









b0und (sceptic)

 

[musclemom]

JD and anyone else. Sorry, I can't provide you with the evidence you want.

Bound, absolutely valid analogy. The sense I'm talking about is as real as hearing or sight and as definable.

All I can say is, it's there. Whether you choose to accept this reality is your perogative. I suppose the big difference between myself and those like you is, I allowed myself to accept the possibility that it may exist. In accepting that it might exist opened me to the possibility of experiencing it.

I'm not going to argue this, nor am I going to play defense attorney for it and prove or justify it. I have long realized that when it comes to these matters, you cannot teach the headblind. They will remain headblind until they so choose to remove their blinkers. I cannot explain it more clearly than that and until you have removed your own blinkers, you will not understand what I have just said.

I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense to you

I assure you, the only reason you do not see/feel/hear/sense the energy of life is because you are, by decision, blind to it. Not because it is not there.

One thing I will have to say, a lot of "psychic" phenomenon is driven by quantum physics. That whole realm is a slippery slope, difficult to quantitatively define.

Psychicism is much like quantum mechanics. Sometimes a thing isn't there until you actually look for it, expecting it to be there.

 

[samoth]

Bound, absolutely valid analogy. The sense I'm talking about is as real as hearing or sight and as definable.

No. Human eyes pick up certain parts of the EM spectrum. Rather basic. There's no basis for ESP energy or hum-hum.

One thing I will have to say, a lot of "psychic" phenomenon is driven by quantum physics. That whole realm is a slippery slope, difficult to quantitatively define.

Psychicism is much like quantum mechanics. Sometimes a thing isn't there until you actually look for it, expecting it to be there.

All that "quantum physics and the mind" stuff is just popular sci-fi. None of it is based on fact. It's as much metaphysics as Crowley's gibberish.

 

[chewyxrage]

I find the idea interesting but never have I been convinced that ghosts exist. What role do you think religion plays in the belief or disbelief of ghosts?

I'm an atheist, I would think that most atheists would think the same way, but really have no idea.

 

[jd_uk]

All I can say is, it's there. Whether you choose to accept this reality is your perogative. I suppose the big difference between myself and those like you is, I allowed myself to accept the possibility that it may exist. In accepting that it might exist opened me to the possibility of experiencing it.

That's untrue. I've never thought it impossible, just highly improbable. I've opened myself to the idea before (as have millions of other people who have been left dissapointed) but in reality I've just seen and met way too many people who are either (i) blatant liars or (ii) just reading too much into things and allowing their mind to fool themself. The human body's ability to fool itself is i think more powerful than these people will ever admit. The laws of physics on earth are quite advanced and they can disprove this idea so until someone can scientifically detect what you're saying then i'll have a hard time with accepting it.

By the way, I'm still only talking about the first point you originally mentioned here (the idea that energy can just become trapped). I'm more undecided on the probabilty of 'ghosts' despite the fact that they haven't been scientifically detected either.

 

[Mr. dB]

All the other human perceptions are associated with sensory organs, which sensory organ perceives Psi stuff? Or is it as invisible as the invisible phenomena?