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I found this interesting article about GHB:
Description: GHB (Gamma-hydroxybutyrate) is both a metabolite and precursor of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid, or gammaaminobutyrate),
another nutrient to which it bears a close structural relationship. GHB, however, does not act directly on GABA receptor sites. It is has come to
be used in Europe as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy (a daytime sleeping disorder), an aid to childbirth (increasing strength of
contractions, decreasing pain, and increasing dilation of the cervix), a treatment for alcoholism and alcohol withdrawal syndrome, and for many other uses.
During the 1980s, GHB was widely available over-the-counter in health-food stores, purchased largely by body-builders for its ability to stimulate growth hormone
release which aids in fat reduction and muscle building. In the last few years it has been gaining popularity as a “recreational” drug offering a pleasant,
alcohol-like, hangover-free “high” with potent prosexual effects.
For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB were unanimous in reporting numerous beneficial physiological effects and the absence of longterm
negative effects. There are no documented reports of long-term [detrimental] effects. Nor is there any evidence for physiologic addiction.” GHB is not
approved in the US and was been banned from over-the-counter sale by the FDA as of November 8th, 1990. GHB has not yet been “scheduled” as a “controlled
substance” by the DEA, and therefore simple possession is not illegal. GHB continues to be sold to legitimate laboratories and scientists for research purposes,
but selling it specifically for human consumption, especially while making claims about its health benefits, is a violation of current FDA regulations and
policy.
Most users find that GHB induces a pleasant state of relaxation and tranquility. Frequent effects are placidity, sensuality, mild euphoria, and a tendency to verbalize.
Anxieties and inhibitions tend to dissolve into a feeling of emotional warmth, wellbeing, and pleasant drowsiness. One of the best things about GHB is
the fact that you won’t suffer any “hang-over” effects that you typically would if you had consumed an abundance of alcohol the night before.
GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs. Reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used
for several days without negative consequences. The main side effects that are most commonly experienced are drowsiness, dizziness, nausea, and sometimes
vomiting. More unusual and extreme reactions have included diarrhea, lack of bladder control, temporary amnesia, and sleep-walking. Whatever side effects
may be noted, they are often much more severe when GHB is combined with other central nervous system depressants such as alcohol or other downers.
GHB is a very interesting compound and has several effects that would be desireable for bodybuilders and athletes in general.
The following is a list of the desired effects:
1) Increasing natural growth hormone secretion-experts observed increases in plasma GH over a period of 90 minutes after GHB took effect. These plasma GH
levels reached a peak of nearly 40 ng/ml. This lead researchers to conclude that GHB supplementation stimulates the secretion of GH by the pituitary gland in
human subjects. It may cause a release of GH by modifying the amount of serotonin available to the nerve terminals. One Japanese study reported nine-fold
and sixteen-fold increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between
the ages of twenty-five and forty. GH levels were still seven-fold higher at 120 minutes. At the same time GH is being released, prolactin levels also rise. Serum
prolactin levels increase in a similar time-dependent manner as GH, peaking at five-fold above baseline at 60 minutes. This effect, unlike the release of GH, is
entirely consistent with GHB’s inhibition of dopamine. Other compounds which lessen dopamine activity in the brain (such as the neuroleptic Thorazine) have
been shown to result in prolactin release. Although prolactin tends to counteract many of the beneficial effects of GH, the sixteen-fold increases in GH probably
overwhelm the five-fold increases in prolactin.
2) Contributing to anabolism and lypolysis-GHB activates a metabolic process known as the “pentose pathway” which plays an important role in the synthesis
of protein within the body. It also causes a “protein sparing” effect which reduces the rate at which the body breaks down its own proteins. These properties,
along with GHB’s effect on growth hormone, underlie its common use as an aid to muscle-building and fat loss.
3) Inducing and improving sleep quality-The most remarkable facet of GHB-induced sleep is its physiological resemblance to normal sleep. For instance, GHB
sleep is characterized by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the arteries, as in normal sleep. During normal and GHB sleep, the CNS continues to be responsive
to “noxious stimuli” (pain and other irritations), a factor which sets limits on GHB’s uses in anesthesia. GHB facilitates both REM (rapid eye movement)
sleep, and “slow-wave” (non-REM) sleep, the stage of sleep featuring increased release of growth hormone. And unlike the unconsciousness induced by other
anesthetics, that triggered by GHB does not feature a systemic decrease in oxygen consumption. GHB temporarily inhibits the release of dopamine in the brain.
This may cause increased dopamine storage, and later increased dopamine release when the GHB influence wears off. This effect could account for the middleof-
the-night wakings common with use of higher GHB doses, and the general feelings of increased well-being, alertness and arousal the next day.
4) Helping to reduce body cortisol levels-this would make this drug or supplement or whatever classification you want to call it anti-catabolic.
5) Improving Sex-scientists have identified four main prosexual properties of GHB:
1) Loss of sexual inhibition-markedly among most women, 2) heightening of the sense of touch (tactility), 3) enhancement of male erectile capacity, 4) increased
intensity of orgasm.
Women often report that GHB makes their orgasms longer and more intense, as well as more difficult or time-consuming to achieve, especially at higher doses.
As with its other effects, GHB’s impact on female orgasm seems highly sensitive to small adjustments in dosage.
Obtaining the Reagents: NaOH, denatured ethanol and methanol are very easy to find. Just look up chemical products in the yellow pages. Those chemicals
are so common that you won’t be asked what you are going to do with it. Gamma-butyrolactone is difficult to find. It is typically used as a solvent for plastic
polymers, as an acrylic paint remover, and as a light weight lubricant. It would be good to remember this since they might ask you what you are needing the
chemical for. Several companies sell it on the net - make a search using Dejanews. Other companies sell complete kits for preparing GHB. The kits that are
available tend to be more expensive than just buying the raw chemicals outright. One site for getting a kit is
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/1646/ Another site for GHB kits is http://members.tripod.com/~pelchat_labs/index.html If you are buying the
chemicals from the yellowpages, it would be smart to purchase the sodium hydroxide and the gamma-butyrolactone from different sources to avoid any raised
eye-brows as well.
Effective Dose: The effects of GHB can generally be felt within five to twenty minutes after ingestion. They usually last no more than one and a half to three
hours, although they can be indefinitely prolonged through repeated dosing. The effects of GHB are very dose-dependent. Small increases in the amount ingested
lead to significant intensification of the effect. Higher levels feature greater giddiness, silliness, and interference with mobility and verbal coherence, and
maybe even dizziness. Even higher doses usually induce sleep.
Determining the ideal dose is probably the trickiest aspect of working with GHB. The amount required for a given level of effect will vary from person to person,
and the dose-response curve is fairly steep. Overestimating the dose can have consequences ranging in seriousness from ruining your plans for the evening
to waking up in the emergency ward as a result of panic on the part of concerned-but-uninformed friends or relatives.
Once you have found the levels that give you the effects you desire, they will remain consistent. Tolerance to GHB does not develop. However, recent (not current)
alcohol consumption may decrease the effect of a given dose of GHB.
Most people find that a dose in the range of 0.75-1.5 grams is suitable for prosexual purposes, and that a quantity in the range of 2.5 grams is sufficient to
force sleep.
Some people think that GHB might lower potassium levels and should therefore be taken with potassium supplementation. Some research papers have identified
such an effect, others have not. If you want to play it safe, take a potassium supplement equal to 10% of the GHB dose.
Street Price: This stuff sells on the street for between $2 - 3 per gram. I would be wary though since you cannot tell how watered down the product is since it is
clear and you don’t know what kind of impurities are present when buying this stuff on the street.
 
bigjd69 said:
Good article. I tried it a few years ago and wasn't impressed
Then it was diluted. BTW the web sites on there are BUNK as Pelchet labs was the ones who rolled his client list over to the DEA and like 2000 people got popped.....one of my friends as well. As illeagle as heroin now and you used to be able to get it at a health food store because assholes always fuck it up for everyone!

Q.
 
Quadsweep said:
BTW the web sites on there are BUNK as Pelchet labs was the ones who rolled his client list over to the DEA and like 2000 people got popped.....one of my friends as well. .


A good reason why just copying and pasting something from another website may not be the best idea...

Usually old (and sometimes outright false) information
 
Can’t do it anymore, can’t afford to take another ride in an ambulance to the ER, can’t afford to spend more time in Jail, and the stuff is always one cap away from certain death.

PS,


I like your cut and paste researching,

You look it up, and we the get the benefits. So thanks.
 
solidspine said:
Can’t do it anymore, can’t afford to take another ride in an ambulance to the ER, can’t afford to spend more time in Jail, and the stuff is always one cap away from certain death.

PS,


I like your cut and paste researching,

You look it up, and we the get the benefits. So thanks.
yer always one step from dyin' brother...I am one step from being safely alive!

Quad
 
even if it does have benifets for the bodybuilder I would be very afraid to become addicted to it. from what I hear its very addictive
 
More often then not, addicts are usually dickheads to begin with. Im not trying to sound insensitive, but its the truth. I've tried basically every recreational drug and never been addicted to any of them. Am I that exceptional? I dont think so. It was possible to do G without killing yourself. Too many dickheads out there ruined it for everyone else.
 
I loved that fucking shit.Used it for a full year at one capfull before bed,the only year that I grew like there was no end and it put a dead hault on my insomnia.Was the best aid out there for my case now I get 4 hours of sleep a night if im lucky and wake up every hour and walk around like a zombie.I refuse to use xanax or any of that worthless shit that makes me feel all drugged up in the morning and I have used every over the counter sleep aid available and none has worked.Then again I never saw G as anything more than a sleep aid and never looked at it for recreational use purposes.I would give my left testicle to get prescribed that shit by the company that is now making it but I have heard that there is a lot of red tape and paper work to get on their plan.Not to mention I have no insurance so it would be ridiculously expensive to get diagnosed and to actually buy it from the pharmacy it would be ridiculously expensive also.
 
This thread will probably get locked if seen by admin, but here is something that was posted a few years ago on here:

The FDA is a rogue, out-of-control bureaucracy. In the past, in its war
against dietary supplements, it has threatened people with criminal
prosecution for claiming that anti-oxidants prevent disease. It has made
giant food companies take words as innocuous as “ask your doctor” off cereal
boxes. It has instigated guns-drawn, Gestapo-like raids on 80-year old health
food store owners.
The American people might have thought they finally put an end to that
absurd oppression and won the war with the DIETARY SUPPLEMENT HEALTH &
EDUCATION ACT (DSHEA). But, for the FDA that was only a challenge to find new
ways to subvert the will of the American people.
Now the FDA has falsely taken the role of protector of date-rape victims
in a cold and calculated strategy to use the basic human revulsion for a
despicable crime of violence in order to further its agenda. It has been
waging a campaign of lies and mis-information to create emotional hysteria in
order to get Congress to do politically what it can’t do legally - classify a
dietary supplement, gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), curiously both as Schedule I
(meaning it has no medical use) and Schedule III (requires a prescription),
in a “DATE-RAPE DRUG ACT.”
You can fool some of the people…
The FDA has fooled the media with cleverly worded press releases about GHB
and its related products, gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) and 1,4-butanediol (BDO).
It has fooled most members of 21 state legislatures by making sure only its
“experts” presented testimony at hearings. Now it’s trying to fool Con-gress
by making sure the only information members receive is from FDA-invited
“experts.”
But the FDA has not fooled everyone. In a series of FDA lawsuit losses,
federal courts have lambasted the FDA’s reasoning; calling it “absurd” and
“almost frivolous.” 1 The Government Accounting Office (GAO) has questioned
FDA regulations because of the “limitations and uncertainties associated with
the agency’s scientific and economic analyses.”2 The Honorable F. James
Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI), Chairman of the House Science Committee, recently
stated, “I am concerned about the apparent lack of scientific data behind the
FDA’s actions.”
Chairman Sensenbrenner further stated, “(T)o use such poor science for a
dietary supplement raises warning flags for the other products the agency
regulates.” 3
GHB is a product for which the warning flags should be raised about FDA
“science.” Here are some FDA lies about GHB.

FDA Lie - GHB is a drug
GHB is a simple carbohydrate found naturally in every cell of the human body.
GHB is both a metabolite of and precursor to an amino acid consumed daily by
millions of Americans - gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA). DSHEA clearly states
that metabolites of amino acids are dietary supplements.
The FDA’s label of GHB as a “drug” is a lie. The language it uses, to
lead the media to label GHB as a “synthetic designer” or “date-rape” drug, is
gross misinformation.

FDA Lie - GHB has no medical uses
The FDA “experts” know they’re telling a lie when they state GHB has no
medical uses. In 1974, the FDA approved an Investigational New Drug (IND)
application for GHB that discussed 15 medical uses. GHB has been used safely
to treat cataplexy, insomnia, narcolepsy, depression, alcoholism, and opiate
addiction, and to stimulate natural growth hormone release, to name a few.

FDA Lie - GHB is hazardous
Patients in the IND trials are handed large containers of GHB; told to take
doses of 2 to 8 grams; and to come back when they need more. Something the
FDA would NOT allow if it truly believed GHB was “hazardous.”

Substance Tylenol EtOH NaGHB
Std. dose 1 gm 2 oz 2 gm
Lethal dose 10 gm 20 oz 300 gm
Safety Factor 10:1 10:1 150:1


The comparative safety of GHB is shown in the table at the top of this
column. The data (from Medline research) is from scientists doing primary
research; unlike FDA “experts” who give opinions based merely on anecdotal
reports. The data shows sodium-GHB (NaGHB) is far safer than acetaminophen
(Tylenol) or alcohol (EtOH).
National Toxicology Program reports on the GHB related substances GBL and
BDO contradict the FDA’s “science.” 4
Even the FDA contradicts the FDA. It has released a number of “Talking
Papers” stating it has received reports of adverse events and deaths
“associated” with GHB, GBL and BDO. When Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
requests have been made for copies of those reports, the FDA’s FOIA office
has written that the FDA has no such reports. 5

FDA Lie - GHB is highly addicting
The 30 years of primary research reports prior to 1990 and the IND reports
all state GHB is non-addicting. In the FDA-supervised studies on narcolepsy,
no patient has ever become addicted to GHB. The scientific record is clear:
When GHB is used responsibly it’s not addicting. In fact, it is used to treat
addiction to alcohol and narcotics.

FDA Lie - GHB is a “date-rape” drug
Date rape is a very serious subject. So, it’s important to use science and
reason when discussing it. However, it’s such a traumatic topic that most
people are more influenced by emotional hysteria than reason. The FDA knows
this and plays upon that hysteria.
The use of any substance to facilitate date rape should be a crime. And
that’s already the law in many states.
GHB and many other substances the FDA has approved for insomnia can be
(but rarely have been)6 used to facilitate date rape since they can cause a
deep sleep. But that’s no reason to label GHB a “date-rape” drug any more
than Nytol, Tylenol PM, or Benadryl.
There are a few substances which truly should be labeled as “date-rape”
drugs. They enable a perpetrator to keep a victim conscious, but easily
compelled to engage in sex. They cause a victim to forget what happened while
under their influence. And they clear from the body fairly quickly, making
their detection difficult.
The only attribute GHB has in common with those substances is it clears
from the body quickly (and safely), as carbon dioxide and water. But, GHB
does NOT cause a person to remain conscious, engage in sex, and then not remem
ber what they did.
The FDA’s constant and repetitive linking of GHB together with those
substances diverts attention from counseling people on the real dangers of
the substance used most often to facilitate date rape, alcohol. The FDA’s
single-minded focus on GHB demeans victims by ignoring far more serious and
more wide-spread risks. It is tokenism the FDA uses in a very base manner to
further its agenda.

FDA synthetic designer “science”
In the 1980s, GHB was available in health food stores. GHB containers had
labels with dosage instructions and warnings. People were using it safely for
many health purposes.
In 1990, a private-sector pharmacist made an “amazing” discovery. Just 3
years after finishing her residency, Ms. Jo Ellen Dyer “discovered” what
world-class scientists had “missed” for 30 years - “GHB poisoning!”
What she really “discovered” was alcohol poisoning. Alcohol and GHB are
metabolized in the body by the same enzyme, alcohol dehydrogenase. If GHB and
alcohol are co-ingested, the toxic effects of alcohol are increased. Alcohol
poisoning, NOT “GHB poisoning” (sic) causes coma and seizure.
[State prosecutors pay Ms. Dyer up to $9,000 (taxpayer dollars) as a fee
for an hour of testimony about her “discovery.” Not much incentive to want
the truth known about GHB.]
Without holding hearings to ascertain the validity of this “discovery,”
the FDA simply issued a press release “ban” of GHB on Nov. 8, 1990. Fearing
FDA Gestapo-like raids, health food store owners took it off their shelves.
Unable to obtain GHB in health food stores, people bought “street” GHB.
It didn’t come with labels. Without the benefit of the labels, more people
unwittingly took high doses of GHB with excessive amounts of alcohol and
ended up in hospital emergency rooms.
Doctors, “educated” by the FDA about GHB symptoms, made reports of “GHB
poisoning” that were more “politically correct” than scientifically accurate.
The FDA used those reports and its press release “ban” as the basis of
briefings for state legilslatures and law enforcement personnel. It made sure
non-scientific people got the “right” picture. And the FDA hit upon its
unsavory strategy of “associating” GHB with “date-rape” drugs.

Suggested Congressional action
A rush to schedule a dietary supplement, under the guise of a “date-rape”
bill, without scientific debate, is a poor basis for public policy. Before
depriving millions of Americans of dietary supplements sold in hundreds of
health food stores, Congress should take the time to listen to testimony from
experts knowledgeable about the full scientific record on GHB. The requests
of those experts to be heard have been ignored by the FDA.
If Congress doesn’t take the time, the FDA will have succeeded in
manipulating Congress into doing politically what the FDA couldn’t do
scientifically. This will make a mockery of DSHEA and all the work the
American people put into getting it passed.


References:

1 see, e.g., Pearson v. Shalala 164 F3d 650.

2 “Dietary Supplements: Uncertainties in Analyses Underlying FDA’s Proposed
Rule on Ephedrine Alkaloids” (available at gao.gov).

3 Press Release 106-71, 1999 Aug 4.

4 Toxicology Reports TR-406 and TOX-54 (available at http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov).

5 Private correspondence of Ward Dean, M.D.

6 “Prevalence of drugs used in cases of alleged sexual assault” J. Anal.
Toxicol. 1999 23(3), 141-146. Preston Publications.

The writer of this message, Paul Anacker, J.D. ([email protected]), is a
private attorney. He is a former Chairman of Lawyers in Mensa International
(1979-1991). He has been a consultant to several dozen MDs and JDs on the
medical and legal aspects of GHB and related substances. He has received no
payment from anyone for writing this message (except contributions to
subsidize the cost to place it).

More details of FDA lies about GHB are in
“GHB: The Natural Mood Enhancer”
co-authored by Ward Dean, M.D.,
a West Point graduate and former
flight surgeon for Delta Force.
Information can be found at
ceri.com and smart-publications
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