GH..before or after workout

[norcalbengal]

I am currently taking 4 ius 2 times a day of jin.
I take my first dose at 9:30am before work...then I have been taking the 2nd dose at 6pm before I work out. I have also tried taking it after I work out. Is their any advantage to taking it before or after?
I noticed if I take it before I have better pumps in the gym.

Thanks.

 

[Outtlaw]

Hmm, never tried it as I always take all of mine at night. But I'd be interested to know your results.

 

[ATLmuscles]

I am currently taking 4 ius 2 times a day of jin.
I take my first dose at 9:30am before work...then I have been taking the 2nd dose at 6pm before I work out. I have also tried taking it after I work out. Is their any advantage to taking it before or after?
I noticed if I take it before I have better pumps in the gym.

Thanks.

Dude, you need to do more research, you are wasting half of your $$$$$ GH. NOw, I'm jealous, I don't know if I wnat to help out some guy who's using 8 iu/d, I only use 6!!! But your liver can only handle converting about 2 iu's into IGF1 in a given period (like 2 hours) Injecting 4 iu's will just leave half of it breaking down and not getting converted. Plus you should avoid your natural high peaks, the two greatest ones are shortly after you fall asleep and right after training, as you'd be adding the exogenous GH to your own, and, again, the liver can't handle it all, so it just goes to waste.

One of your best times to take it is middle of the night, like 5 am when you get up to piss. This is a time when most of yor bodies hormones are at daily lows.

 

[norcalbengal]

I am not taking 8 ius...Just a total of 4, split up twice a day.
There is no way I am going to wake up at 5am to take a shot...I know it wont happen, maybe I should take my 9am shot, then one closer to 3-4pm...a few hours before I workout, or maybe I should wait an hour or two after I workout.

 

[Indy]

I am not taking 8 ius...Just a total of 4, split up twice a day.
There is no way I am going to wake up at 5am to take a shot...I know it wont happen, maybe I should take my 9am shot, then one closer to 3-4pm...a few hours before I workout, or maybe I should wait an hour or two after I workout.

That's exactly how I am doing it

 

[idcbp]

I am not taking 8 ius...Just a total of 4, split up twice a day.
There is no way I am going to wake up at 5am to take a shot...I know it wont happen, maybe I should take my 9am shot, then one closer to 3-4pm...a few hours before I workout, or maybe I should wait an hour or two after I workout.

No offense, but if you're dishing the cash for 4ius of gh daily and I'm assuming you're advanced with you gear, whats the big deal with a 5am shot? Pre load, roll over and pop it. I mean when it costs what it does, I'd want to get every bit of action out of it. I'd shit a brick if I found out I was blowing half my load of gh b/c my liver couldn't process it. Just me though. How are you results?

 

[ATLmuscles]

I am not taking 8 ius...Just a total of 4, split up twice a day.
There is no way I am going to wake up at 5am to take a shot...I know it wont happen, maybe I should take my 9am shot, then one closer to 3-4pm...a few hours before I workout, or maybe I should wait an hour or two after I workout.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you meant 4 iu 2x/d. Don't you wake up in the middle of the night to piss? I drink 1 1/2+ gal's of water a day, so I always get up at least once. If not, yes, 3-4 pm is another good time (your circadian lows are 3-5 am and 3-5pm, in general) Also before you train would be good, or at least 1 1/2- 2 hours after you train. Are you takin insulin with the GH. If so, it is ideal to do a GH shot as you start your workout, then a slin shot when done, followed by the usu. high-glycemic carb and whey drink.

 

[norcalbengal]

Results on 3 weeks so far.... Jin 4ius/ day w/ 500 sus and 500 eq per week. I am up 20 lbs so far. I love the crazy pumps I get from the jin..
I never thought about pre-loading then poppin the shot at 5 am...still not sure if I want to mess around with a needle half awake.
No insulin, so what do you think would be best for me...the 3-5pm shot, the pre-workout shot, or a shot 1-2 hours after working out...after working out I go to bed about 4 hours later.

BTW- are any of you shooting IM or all sub-q?

 

[concordsize]

I take mine within 30min of training(post workout) I have tried morrning,night,mid day...I get the same results with it all.

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[slat1]

I would go 8am and noon... thats just me though. I work out at 4pm... that should spike it a bit on its own. I wouldn't take any after that because it would overlap my natural production during sleep.
If I use it once a day its in the morning. I have a buddy who competes nationally and writes for a major publication. He indicated that was the way he would do it if he was only going to do one shot.
Good Luck

 

[mrplunkey]

My take on GH is that it's more important to have low blood sugar levels during it's administration than anything else. For me, it's:

Wake up 5:00-5:30ish and stick (2 IU's)
Lay back in bed
Eat around 7:00-7:30

Work out 1:00-3:00
Post-workout shake at 3:00 + more food
Second stick (2 IU's) around 5:00-5:15ish
Eat big around 7:00-7:15ish

 

[norcalbengal]

Low blood sugar levels...I have heard that.
I have also heard to drink a coke, or some juice high in sugar 10 minutes after giving the shot for a glucose spike. Anyone else hear of this?

 

[dacdac]

You will get high glucose levels form GH not low. You get low glucose levels from high IGF-1 levels though. Usually they don't get too low though because there is the GH in there with it. If you have money buy a glucose monitor and you can see how high your glucose will go if you are taking 4ius and then eating lots of carbohydrates.

I would take the GH post workout. It will lower your ability to excercise with a pre work out shot. Who cares if you get to hold more water when you go to work out.

The main reason to vary the time of injection is to schedule meals and energy levels (read my some GH advice post). You don't want to be eating lots of carbs when the GH is in circulaton. You also should excpect to feel a little slower when the GH is in circulation.

 

[dacdac]

Oh, by the way, have you ever experienced blurry vision with your dose?

 

[concordsize]

Like i stated i take mine after workout with 32 oz gatorade. Then I wait about 20min and take a 70g whey shake with water. The only reason one would not want to have carbs with gh would be if they were dieting. Personally I am not that carb sensative so i still loose the fat.

I have never had blurry vision but sometimes i feel light headed and nausious sp.

E

 

[norcalbengal]

No blurry vision with the jin...but i have had several headaches lately. Maybe I need to drink more water. I am drinking a shitload but we could always use more. I do feel like a get a nice buzz or body high for 3-5 hours after the shot.

dacdac: What is the reasoning behind not wanting lots of or any carbs in the system when the GH is present?

concordsize:You take your shot with 32oz of gatorade, what is the science behind drinking something high in sugar 10 minutes after a shot?

 

[dacdac]

No blurry vision with the jin...but i have had several headaches lately. Maybe I need to drink more water. I am drinking a shitload but we could always use more. I do feel like a get a nice buzz or body high for 3-5 hours after the shot.

dacdac: What is the reasoning behind not wanting lots of or any carbs in the system when the GH is present?

concordsize:You take your shot with 32oz of gatorade, what is the science behind drinking something high in sugar 10 minutes after a shot?

I wrote about it inmy post, some GHadvice. GH antagonizes insulin a great deal and that means carbohydrates produce high blood sugar while GH is in the blood supply. Sometimes not so much if the IGF-1 levels are very eleveated. But even then, if you binge on carbs you will get a rapid weak heart rate that indicates a very high blood sugar. It is possible to get a diabetic blood sugar with enough GH and enough carbs. It is unpleasant and very unhealthy for your system. Major oxidation stuff, some kind of hemoglobin gets produced that stays in you for months. If the level of it is higher than a certain cut off you are classified as diabetic. Some people get that way from taking to much GH and carbs together. That is th elogic behind combining it with insulin shots but that is not the way to go in my opinion at all. IN my opinion, it is putting two things in your system that so to speak don't like each other. It is supposed to be the cause of GH gut. With GH, I say the way to take it is low carb high protein diet, no insulin, maybea a tiny tiny bit of T3, always watch for vision fuzziness which means BIH and then cut the dose ASAP

 

[concordsize]

I drink it after my work out so stimulate a natural insulin spike... Its not as good as using a Dextrose Maltodextrin spike but i have been putting on some good weight so...
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[dacdac]

concordsize,

I think what you do withcarbs is not a good idea with the GH. You will get insulin yes but the GH antagonizes it and the insulin antagonizes the GH. Do you ever get a rapid weak pulse with that?

 

[norcalbengal]

dacdac,

I am not over indulging in carbs. But I am on 4ius Jin/ 500mg test/ 500 mg EQ a week...and I want to GROW. Do you think I could get away with say 40 grams HRS (hydrolyzed rice based carbs) and cup of gatorade in my morning and post workout shake....1 bowl of oatmeal w/ lunch, 1 bowl oatmeal with 3pm snack, and veggies with dinner? With the occasional cheat day with some pizza or bread...In your opinion, would that be too many carbs for the gh?

 

[solidspine]

Sounds very good.


I would not change it!

 

[dacdac]

dacdac,

I am not over indulging in carbs. But I am on 4ius Jin/ 500mg test/ 500 mg EQ a week...and I want to GROW. Do you think I could get away with say 40 grams HRS (hydrolyzed rice based carbs) and cup of gatorade in my morning and post workout shake....1 bowl of oatmeal w/ lunch, 1 bowl oatmeal with 3pm snack, and veggies with dinner? With the occasional cheat day with some pizza or bread...In your opinion, would that be too many carbs for the gh?

See that is all good yes except the pizza and bread. Will it kill you? Of course not. In fact if your IGF-1 levels are high enough it won't do much to your glycemic homeostasis (fancy words for blood sugar levels). Do this. Eat the pizza if you want, eat as much as you want. Then wait 20 minutes and see if your heart rate has increased or if you feel a littl dizzy. If that happens the pizza is probably not a good thing to repeat. It probably has made you hyperglycemic. I would guess that say 4 hours post GH injection if you eat alot of pizaa, you won't feel well.

If you want to use GH for growing big and not worry about carb intake, take it all PM and then eat as much carbs as you want after say 12 and then untill next inject.

 

[concordsize]

I usually sleep for 1hr after my gh injection so im not sure about my pulse. I can tell you that often i feel light headed after my gh.

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[dacdac]

I usually sleep for 1hr after my gh injection so im not sure about my pulse. I can tell you that often i feel light headed after my gh.

E

that light headedness is something different if you have not eaten alot of carbohydrates. I wouldn't worry about it, probably the anti cortisol effects or maybea the thyroid being lowered. If the IGF-1 gets high your blood sugar dips a bit. That is why the type of carbs used sparringly like norcalbengal, except his pizza bit, are good.