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GH and The Athlete - is there a point to it???

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Now this one excerpt of one of the most enlightening articles I haved read about HGH. I highly suggest it. Even if you disagree the findings the information should prove useful and help you make a more informed decision before you go out and spend tons of cash on these kits.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/hormones/gh.htm

GH and The Athlete

I've never been sure why the use of GH has become popular in athletes and bodybuilders. Perhaps it's the name... Growth Hormone. Sounds like it'll make me big. Or perhaps it's the legend of Pump de Leon. Either way, the research on GH use in bodybuilders and men on resistance training programs has shown it to be all but useless. And this is probably due to the feedback mechanisms like the negative feedback on the pituitary and the GH resistance discussed earlier.

In two landmark GH studies conducted at the Washington University School of Medicine, a world-renowned GH researcher named Kevin Yarasheski studied the effects of GH in combination with weight training (Yarasheski 1992, 1993).

In the first study, 18 untrained men were given either GH and exercise or placebo and exercise for 12 weeks. GH subjects were given 40 micrograms/kg of recombinant GH and all subjects were evaluated before and after treatment for fat mass, fat free mass, total body water, whole body protein synthesis, insulin sensitivity, muscle size and muscle strength. Due to the development of carpal tunnel syndrome, 2 subjects were forced to withdraw from the study.

When comparing the GH+exercise group with the placebo+exercise group, the data showed that there was no fat loss, no change in insulin sensitivity, no increase in muscle size, and no increase in strength! Whole body protein synthesis was increased in the GH group relative to the placebo, but muscle protein synthesis wasn't. In addition, lean body mass was increased, but again, this wasn't muscle mass, but probably a combination of water retention, organ mass, and connective tissue instead. The researchers, who seemed quite objective in their conclusions, decided that non-muscle proteins were being formed instead of muscle contractile protein.

In the follow-up study, Dr. Yarasheski pursued the effects of GH on experienced weight-lifters. Since the GH didn't positively impact strength or body comp in the untrained guys, Dr. Yarasheski wondered if well-trained athletes might be different. So another study was conducted to examine protein synthetic rates in GH-treated athletes. After 2 weeks of GH treatment (40micrograms/kg), the data were clear that short term GH had no effect on whole body protein synthesis or breakdown. The reason they chose 2 weeks was that in a number of previous studies on clinical populations, any increases in protein synthesis had only lasted for about a month and then ceased due to some type of down-regulation (Perhaps GH insensitivity?). In this population, however, GH didn't even promote protein synthesis within this time frame.

With all this negative data, it should be mentioned that one study showed something positive happening, but again, it wasn't all that exciting (Crist 1988). This particular study showed a small 4% gain in lean body mass and a modest 12% loss in body fat with GH doses of 8IU per day (2.6 milligrams). Muscle mass wasn't measured, so there was no way to determine the make-up of the increased LMB (lean body mass).

So it's pretty apparent that in weight trained men, GH alone doesn't increase muscle mass. Resulting lean mass gains from GH treatment are probably a combo of water, connective tissue, or organ mass. I say probably because organ mass and connective tissue mass are hard to measure. The indirect evidence is pretty strong, though.

Since non-muscle protein gains and the development of carpal tunnel syndrome (due to growth in the connective tissue sheath in the wrist) were apparent in these studies, connective tissue gain is a reasonable speculation. In addition, acromegaly patients have increased organ mass as a result of the high responsiveness to GH, so it would stand to reason that this could have occurred in these studies, too.

The next logical question is this: Since a lot of guys are still using GH, what are the implications of increased organ mass and connective tissue? Well, to be honest, we don't know.

Acromegaly patients do not have high rates of organ malfunction or pathophysiology, so although growing large organs isn't ideal, the current literature doesn't indicate that the problem is immediately life-threatening. But, acromegaly patients do die prematurely, so if they were to live longer, perhaps these organ changes could have long-term impact.

As far as the issue of increases in connective tissue, the increases themselves may not be too terrible, as long as they don't become pathophysiological. Of course, developing carpel tunnel syndrom is no picnic. On the other hand, if the strength of connective tissue increases with connective tissue growth, athletes could become more injury-resistant. Connective tissue growth will not lead to strength increases in well-trained guys if contractile protein mass doesn't go up, but these connective tissue increases may allow individuals to train with heavier weights with less risk of injury. This, however, merely results from me taking off the "science hat" and speculating a bit.
 
Good read JA..I think it would have been more interesting if the studies were done longer term since most experienced GH users say that it is not an overnite drug and that its something that should be used for at least 3 months..I agree that GH alone is probably not the best money spent, but when included in part of an AAS cycle its synergistic benefits are obvious..
 
wnt2bBeast said:
I agree that GH alone is probably not the best money spent, but when included in part of an AAS cycle its synergistic benefits are obvious..

He addresses that in the last part of the article.

"GH Plus

Within the last few years, the bodybuilding community has taken drug use to a new high. Being extremists by nature, bodybuilders are always looking for the next drug or combination of drugs to take their muscle mass to the next level. To this end, the new generation of bodybuilders have sworn by a combination of Testosterone, GH, IGF-1, Insulin, and Thyroid drugs. A discussion of these combinations is beyond the scope of this article and beyond the scientific literature at the current time. There is quite a bit of indirect evidence suggesting that, in theory, there may be a synergistic response to a polypharmacy of this type, but there have been very few trials looking directly at such combinations (Mani Maran 2000, Painson 2000, Demling 1999, Grinspoon 1998 and 1999, Juul 1998, Keenan 1996).

The body of anecdotal evidence is greater and I've talked to tons of guys who have used GH, T, Insulin, Thyroid, etc. Many feel that the addition of GH to a drug stack results in some pretty good gains while some say that they don't think the GH helps them at all. But who really knows how much each drug contributes? Since each person is different, uses different doses, and may or may not have real drugs, comparisons are difficult. At a price tag of $1000+ per month for the GH alone, I just don't think that the gains would be worth it either way.

My personal feeling is that when drug use gets to this extreme level where it is "necessary" to take 5 or 6 dramatically powerful, incompletely understood, and potentially dangerous hormones to compete, I think it has gone way too far. Although it's pretty interesting to think that we could control our body compositions by taking the endocrine system off auto pilot and controlling it manually for a while, we may get more than we bargained for.

Auto pilot may never work again and you'll be trying to figure out how you're gonna pay the hormone replacement bills for the rest of your lives. I just don't want to be 65 years old and still giving myself a dozen injections per day because I turned my pituitary into a shriveled, dangling waste of endocrine tissue hanging from my atrophied brain mass."
 
It is clear that HGH's effect on adiposity is much greater than its effect on IGF-1 levels. Maximal testosterone ( or other AAS levels) plus maximal IGF-1 levels will yield maximal muscle growth and development. Most people do just fine building muscle with just AAS. Forget about costs and legality for a moment. Even the HGH experts (docs, gurus, what-have-you) prefer using Long R3 IGF-1 to HGH for raising IGf-1 levels. Some even suggest that using both Long R3 and HGH is the way to go for maximizing levels of IGF-1. HGH, alone, is useless for building muscle, but excellent for fat loss. There is a company in Australia developing an oral that basically mimics HGH's fat burning effect. It is in Phase II FDA trails now. Unfortunately, Long R3 isn't classified a drug by the FDA and it isn't being manufactured by pharmaceutical companies..maybe some day.
 
DrJMW said:
It is clear that HGH's effect on adiposity is much greater than its effect on IGF-1 levels. Maximal testosterone ( or other AAS levels) plus maximal IGF-1 levels will yield maximal muscle growth and development. Most people do just fine building muscle with just AAS. Forget about costs and legality for a moment. Even the HGH experts (docs, gurus, what-have-you) prefer using Long R3 IGF-1 to HGH for raising IGf-1 levels. Some even suggest that using both Long R3 and HGH is the way to go for maximizing levels of IGF-1. HGH, alone, is useless for building muscle, but excellent for fat loss. There is a company in Australia developing an oral that basically mimics HGH's fat burning effect. It is in Phase II FDA trails now. Unfortunately, Long R3 isn't classified a drug by the FDA and it isn't being manufactured by pharmaceutical companies..maybe some day.

Doc, I follow what you're saying here but many people are still under the false assumption that GH builds muscle mass when it clearly does not. Also, there are much less expensive alternatives to fat burning than GH. GH as you know is not cheap. Even the black market GH is rather expensive when used in the context of "leaning out". T3, clen, metabolic stimulates and even foods rich in medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) have all have been shown to decrease adipose tissue at obviously at much lower cost. What is the point of using GH if you're under 30 yrs old? It seems like GH would make much more sense for someone who's in his late 30's and up since it has been shown that there is a progressive decline in GH secretion from the pituitary after the age of 30. I continually see young guys in their late teens to early 20's using GH, which would only suppress their GH/IGF-1 axis. Any comments on this?
 
Great post JA. I read alot of this before, presented differently. What I've read basically said HGH is usless unless used in combination with AAS. They're is little argument that HGh alone is not very effective.

But then I keep coming back to a sentence that IS in this study you posted.
"But who really knows how much each drug contributes? "
Guys are running huge AAS stacks, T3, Slin, and god knows what else, but some will claim HGH does xyz for them.
I don't get it.
 
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