Sorry to have to answer questions in one go- I dont get to spend as much time as I'd like on boards these days- BTW- If anyones interested, I made a post on PGCL which may be of interest to those interested in GH.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=532327
Ok:
Not trying to be insulting, i was just stating what was on the AF board .
No offense taken!Just the Halotestin makes me edgy
I respect Ulters opinion on the t-4 addition to hgh. i believe another mod made the book comment.
I havent read those, so can't comment, if you want to paste them in this thread that would be useful.
Yes, i have tried the t-4 with my jin, 100mcg ed. just as i was getting close to finishing the bottle i read Ulters and the others take on the issue. also stated there was that it was just a theory and that sometimes things look good in theory but never work. I did not get any benefits from the t-4(liqued from ag guys)
Ok- How do you know you got no benefit- Without getting pedantic-these opinions we have are entirely subjective, which is why it helps to throw in as much research data and get out there and try it. It could be a combination of things- Ive never used liquid gear- that may have been a bad batch, may have been underdosed.COuld have been bad GH, maybe the water wasnt sterile and compromised it- not trying to undermine your observations, but to say you got nothing off GH and its because of T4, is a bit lame- youd get something of GH even without T4 or T3, so what are we basing this on..?
It could be your concentration of enzymes, binding proteins is different to most people..Im not patronising you here, and Im trying not to go for the blind you with science apporach as you'll probably expect- but lets start with the premise- everyone is different. No one training routine is optimal for everyone, ever- So as for drug dosesage and unquantifiable effects...Well!Its a rocky road. It could be you personally for whatever reason did not find that to be the optimal dose for you, with that cycle, and that training plan, at that period. It's impossible to come up with precise data because all variables are average, and by virtue of it being an average, an average includes all the freaks, so there is no average, its as simple as that.
What I felt we had done however was present a logical theorum, that at the time required both of us to step back from previous opinions we held- I used to swear by T3, in fact, Im using it now, but I don't use GH anymore, I opt for IGF and PGCL. Seriously, reaching the conclusions we did took a lot of research on Both Anthony, and myselfs part, and we were quite frankly stunned. We discovered alot of other interesting stuff during this period, some of which can be found on my news pages
(Log onto
www.synergy-solutions.org and click on news from the home page)
We presented the theory for people to go and experiment with to find their optimal doses with. For instance, before I take on a serious client, As you can see from my application form (and again, I invite you to check the application form located at the bottom of Synergys home page) I require full blood work results, but you know what..? I still cannot guarentee complete precision with the doses, but you have a guide on which to base your own experimenting. Its a guide based on as much evidence as we have access to (which is a lot). If you can't dispute the theory we've presented, why not try again With a different dose..? Bear in mind T4 takes longer to kick in than T3 so a 2 week loading period before the cycle may be well advised.
So if this were accurate- you read This guys opinion, stopped using T4, used T3 and suddenly made gains that you never beleived possible...? Im doubtin that or I think you would have mentioned it. So theres your personal proof.
Can you tell me how long , how much ed, and how many bottles i am going to have to take to see a difference.
Don;t know about the product, so can't comment sorry! What dose of HGH were you running, and how was it split...?
everything i have heard about hgh is that it is a very subtle difference after at least 6months of use.
Dose and individual and diet dependant entirely, and were back to the starting blocks here!
As to your ?, can i find anything to dispute in the article itself? With my background how can i even begin to discuss the technicalities of theory written by a guy with a phd. get real.
I've taken that on board with respect, most people wouldnt have the balls to make a statement like that- and as such, Ive tried to steer clear of technicality in my repsonse- I just hope it doesnt look like Im hedging!
what interests me is the statement "anybody using hgh with t-3 is wasting their time(and i would presume their money) and anybody using just the hgh alone is wasting 1/2 their money". i may have those two statement ass-backwards. just wondering the formula for those 2 statements. thanks...
Cut and paste:
If you’ve been using GH without T4, you’ve been wasting half your money – and if you’ve been using it with T3, you’ve been wasting your time
Its catchy, its written to engage- Anthony writes in a far more succint and easy to read format than I do- A formula- I cant lie to you and say there is one for that staement. Now if it were a % given, then Id dispute it. But its true- If you agree with the contents of the theory presented in the article, GH with no thyroid homrones is a waste- you will get some benefit, but not as much as you shoudl, so for return on investment, etcetc.
As for someone who takes T3 in the hope it will speed up their growth but is ignorant of the metabolic process that make up the hormonal symphony within the body, the hand to mouth action is a waste of time. Trust my articles are good, but they make fucking boring reading!
oh , one more thing , i would love to see you and Ulter discuss this.
As for this guy whose psuedonym my brain just will not retain- We came to this conclusion with me being intitially of the opinion that T3 would be better, and when confronted with stark fact, changed our minds. People on boards billed as heros dont.
Because its a Pride thing, and also psychologically, there is this thing called the consistancy principle, were people like to be seen as consistant. Used in selling all the time. If this guy can offer some scientific insight, I'd love to see it. If its just a slanging match about anecdotal reports, I can tell you now - I have a business to run. But I can also tell you that of my client bank 10 out of every 100 may not respond to this dosing protocol- do I want to argue the central premise because of the theory because of a small percentage, or should I adapt it to fit their body, which is similar apparatus..?
The answer to that isnt rocket science!
So, science is good, slanging matches about experience, I will look at but if its not as convivncing as what Ive seen so far in the field, then its a waste of time. I do this for a living, as does Anthony- Both of us are very highly recognised, and if discussion boards collapsed tomorrow, Id still be putting food on the table, as would he.
Next!
Great post!
Thanks!
Your body releases GH during sleep, so it would make sense to feel lethargic as your body thinks that it is supposed to be asleep when you shoot. Not sure if that's correct, but that is what I've always heard, and it makes sense.
It stands to reason that there is some logic to that, would be interesting to test melatonin levels after a shot. Note also that when On GH youre essentially fasting, as it shifts the fuel intake to mainly fat, by preventing glucose transport across the cell membrane, now fat, as we all know from exercise science(!) is very rewarding, but very slow!!!And with the heigtened need for energy, this may figure in heavily as a Negative Synergy if you like.
Also, I don't Anthony Roberts would sell a higher number of books just by advocating the use of T4 over T3. There is no trust nowadays. The article made a lot of sense, and so far has only been counter attacked by people saying that money is behind it. That's just not a good enough counter argument. Period.
Publicity is publicity at the end of the day- you cant keep everybody happy, because as discussed above- were all different!
Thank you all, and goodnight!
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