getting good grades

[Lao Tzu]

Alrighty folks, its time to flex a little 'brain' muscle (ooooooh yeah).

Are getting good grades in school important? the way i see it is this.

Person A gets A's in middle/jr high/high school. Goes to an ivy league school, gets into a hard to get into program and gets a B.S. in something.

Person B drops out, gets his G.E.D., goes to community college, and finds a degree program where you only need a 2.0 to get a degree. Gets a B.S. in something.

Where i live in indiana, getting into a program is based more on what school you apply to than anything else. At IU bloomington, you need a 3.6 GPA to get into the B.S.N. program, at IU east you can get in with a 2.0. Dental Hygiene program - IUPUI - 3.7 vs. IUB - 3.0

Aside from getting into some academic programs that give you the degree you want, and from getting into the graduate school fo your choice, what good are good grades? A moderately ingenious person will realize that there are 40+ colleges in his state, and go to the one with the academic program that is easiest to get into. As far as grad school, people can get into some with a 2.8 GPA.

Anyway, i ask because some girl i know in college pressures her kids to get A's in middle school. Realistically, that serves no real purpose other than to pressurize the kid and maybe get him some pizza hut gift certificates. I thought 'grades don't matter until college because they get you into the academic programs & graduate schools you want to get into' but even that isn't 100% true, as there are so many colleges & graduate schools that you can get into most programs if you shop around.

 

[danielson]

pressing them hard at first instills that achademic mindset in them

in high school etc its time to ease off a touch or they will burn out. but only a touch. otherwise they will knock up the class slut if u let em run free

 

[Lao Tzu]

pressing them hard at first instills that achademic mindset in them

in high school etc its time to ease off a touch or they will burn out. but only a touch. otherwise they will knock up the class slut if u let em run free

achademic? did your parents instill a 'deziure to lerne' in you?



As i think about it, it seems so pointless. I mean, a GED will get you into college and a 4.0 H. School GPA will get you in. If you shop around, you can probably find an academic program that lets you in with a 2.0, and a graduate school that lets you in with a 2.8.

 

[HighIntensity]

finish college with a 3.0 or better in your major and youll be fine.

 

[Lao Tzu]

i know. and i know i will. I get good grades with little effort.



Its just the idea that this society is founded on lies and superficial reasoning. Good grades are almost meaningless if you know how to manipulate the system.

 

[danielson]

yes my parents did.

yes i know about A's at highschool meaning b.s.

but as a kid u might not have he maturity to play the system properly

 

[Puc]

where are u going to school again??

 

[Lao Tzu]

IU east

 

[Puc]

lol smoke a j in class and ul still get A's

 

[sigweed]

are you kiddin me?
So you've got a B.S from some backwoods community college, and you're gonna tell me any corporation is gonna take that as seriously as a Harvard degree?
sounds like your "deziure two lurn" didn't kick in soon enough.
havent you noticed that its the people that have been doing well since middle school that are the ones going to the best universities, getting the best jobs, etc. and NOT the ones that do the bare minimum to get by then figure they're set when they've got a 1.7GPA cause the Arkansas Skool of Lurnin' will accept you?
right.

 

[Lao Tzu]

what are you basing that on? are you telling me someone with a degree from Ivy League schools will get 2x as much money for doing the same job?

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/edu/pd110199f.html



http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~mcguire/worth_college_leagues.html

Evidence of this comes in a new study by Alan Krueger, an economist at Princeton, and Stacy Berg Dale, a researcher at the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Until now, scholarly studies had found that elite colleges lifted their graduates' incomes beyond their natural abilities. The bonus was about 3 percent to 7 percent for every 100 points of difference in SAT scores between schools. Suppose you go to Princeton and I go to Podunk; Princeton SAT scores average 100 points higher than Podunk's. After correcting for other influences (parents' income, race, gender, SAT scores, high-school rank), studies found that you would still earn a bit more. If I make $50,000, then you might make $53,500 (that's 7 percent).




They won't take it 'as' seriously, but they will take it.

I mentioned Ivy Tech in my post. Indiana U has one of the best accredited nursing programs in the country. My brother's wife's friend got her A(ssociates).S(cience).N(ursing).degree from Ivy Tech and currently makes $31 an hour. Are you saying if she had gone to IU (with it's more accredited program) that the wage would be better? i see no evidence of this.

maybe if you are in some 'high power' career, a resume that says harvard or oxford is useful. Beyond that though, i don't see it.

Ask Warik, his friend is in harvard, and the educational standards are the same as local college.

 

[Lao Tzu]

havent you noticed that its the people that have been doing well since middle school that are the ones going to the best universities, getting the best jobs, etc. and NOT the ones that do the bare minimum to get by then figure they're set when they've got a 1.7GPA cause the Arkansas Skool of Lurnin' will accept you?
right.

Thats ambition, that is different than an Ivy league accrediation.

And that isn't true about people doing well in middle school going to the best university. Most people can't afford harvard/princeton/yale. Many of the valedictorians here just go to IU because they can't afford the $20k a year tuition in out of state Ivy League schools.

 

[Code]

Children should be encouraged, if not pressured, to do well in school.

Kids need goals, they need to understand that they can (and should) push themselves.

 

[Lao Tzu]

why not pressure them to learn how to learn, or how to speedread, or how to plan ahead, or how to cope with failure. At least that will come in handy sometime. No-one really cares if you were on the Honor roll in 5th grade.

 

[Code]

why not pressure them to learn how to learn, or how to speedread, or how to plan ahead, or how to cope with failure. At least that will come in handy sometime. No-one really cares if you were on the Honor roll in 5th grade.

Kids who get good grades probably know how to learn.

Kids get the chance to learn how to deal with failure everyday, not just at at school; sports, board games etc etc etc.

How would you teach your kids to cope with failure, encourage them to get poor grades?

 

[Lao Tzu]

1.Kids who get good grades probably know how to learn.

2. Kids get the chance to learn how to deal with failure everyday, not just at at school; sports, board games etc etc etc.

3. How would you teach your kids to cope with failure, encourage them to get poor grades?

1. Not true, there are a variety of learning tactics that have been discovered in the last 30 years that most people don't know about. A person can increase their chances of getting A's from 10% to 68% if they use them.

2. True. But some people are crushed by failure. They become alcoholics or depressed.

3. Good point. I don't plan to have kids. However, i wouldn't pressure them to do something essentially worthless. What good will an A average do in grade school? if it is proven to result in smarter, emotionally stronger children then i would support it. But i don't see any evidence of that, it actually devalues academics IMO. Academics become something to do because you are forced, not something you want from the inside out.

Many of my friends in childhood who were forced to get good grades didn't end up better than anyone else.

 

[hippedy hop]

i know. and i know i will. I get good grades with little effort.



Its just the idea that this society is founded on lies and superficial reasoning. Good grades are almost meaningless if you know how to manipulate the system.

I have always questioned a system that teaches students in middle school or high school to memorize and do homework on the same material over and over. I believe good grades in school has little to do with how well you will do in the future. A degree from a decent school means that a person took 4 years or so and stuck it out and got a degree.

a degree will help you secure a decent job in the future but good grades to me are a indicator of how well you memorized the material.

oooooooooohyeah

 

[Natymike]

You can get into Texas Southern Law School with a 2.0 GPA

only about 50% of that school actually pass the bar though.

Its one of the weakest schools in Texas.

 

[circusgirl]

In Europe we have standardised exams and it's HARD to do well in them. But if you don't, you won't get into a good school....

I never had to be pressured to study, but that was just me...

 

[sigweed]

Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing or anything, and I'm not saying if a Harvard Grad and a Texas Law grad both got a job at mcdonald's, the harvard grad would automatically get paid more. What I'm saying is that the harvard grad has a better chance of entering a career which has a considerably higher salary than the texas grad will. I mean if you're a partner in the best law firm in the USA, and one of your lawyers just retired and you got an application from a harvard grad, and a texas grad, who do you think you would pick? The texas guy may be a great dude and all, but when it comes to multi-million dollar law suits, you wouldn't wanna chance much, and would end up going for the person you know can do well, the harvard grad.

 

[HappyScrappy]

Harvard is a huge name and would open many doors for you.
The undergrad program is known to be very easy and grade inflated once you are in, but it is one of the harder schools to get into.
Harvard's grad program is always in the top 3 or pretty much any field that they cover, but again, that is mostly just name recognition.

I have worked with people from all kinds of schools, and even those that never graduated high school. It takes all kinds, and where you went doesn't always determine how much you will make or how well you will do - but in a world like ours where you need the opportunity to be made available first - the good school name will open many doors for you.

I went to a school that is considered one of the best if not the best, and what is hilarious is that nobody has heard of it. Many people I know from school turned down Harvard to go to where we were, yet I'd bet that most of you have no clue what this school is.
the Ivy League is a sports league - yet people associate it with the acedemic level of a school - granted, most of the schools in that league are of a high caliber, not all are.

regardless - in the end, it is how you use the tools that you have built up, and how well you maintain them and further them.
there are plenty of rich idiots that went to the top schools because their elgacy families got them in, and there are plenty of brilliant people that went to schools with "less" of a name.