Getting cut in 4 weeks.

[patsfan1379]

Yo guys,

I've been around here for years and years, but never in the fat-loss arena. I've been training about 5 solid years, I'm about 180lbs @ 5' 9". I've got by no means a beer gut, but my diet has loosened lately and I've gained a little around the midsection... Not much.

I'm looking for the best way to lose some BF in the midsection to look good for vegas.

My diet is ok, I've got little time so a strict diet is tough.

9am - Shake

12pm - Chicken/Carbs/Vegs

3pm - Shake

7pm - Dinner

I've got Nolvadex, Arimidex, Creatine CEE, Tribulus and NOX lying around.

I've toyed with running a 4 week course of Nolvadex to harden up. Is there any legitimacy to that?

Any ideas on how to cut up in 4 weeks???

 

[silverbackn]

The terms "shake" and "dinner" aren't very descriptive. Nolvadex won't do anything to harden youl, it doesn't decrease the amount of estrogen circulating in your body.

 

[patsfan1379]

The terms "shake" and "dinner" aren't very descriptive. Nolvadex won't do anything to harden youl, it doesn't decrease the amount of estrogen circulating in your body.

We'll lets put it this way...

A shake consists of 50g of protein and about 220 cals...

Lunch is usually about 40%p - 40%c and 20%f

Dinner is usually about 8-10oz of steak or chick and 90g of carbs.

That help?

And Nolva should harden me up a bit, it prevents Estrogen bind to the receptors.

 

[Pikaberdot]

You'd probably be better off using Aromasin the suicide estrogen inhibitor, or better yet - get some Clen.

All from ag-guys.

 

[silverbackn]

We'll lets put it this way...

A shake consists of 50g of protein and about 220 cals...

Lunch is usually about 40%p - 40%c and 20%f

Dinner is usually about 8-10oz of steak or chick and 90g of carbs.

That help?

And Nolva should harden me up a bit, it prevents Estrogen bind to the receptors.

Nolva only binds to receptors at the nipple, it will do nothing for bloat. You need to use an AI like L-dex. You should move your biggest carb meal to either first thing in the morning or post-training.

 

[Makavelli]

Actually Silver I have to disagree with you here. Although Nolva is not the most potent anti-e it does cause some fat loss in the hard to lose areas, like the thighs and ass. Those areas are heavily influenced by estrogen. I would use both Nolva and Arimidex. Your diet is going to get you there.

 

[patsfan1379]

Yes nolva binds to all the estro related areas.. Love handles, lower back, legs etc...

But is 4 weeks going to show anything noticable?

 

[silverbackn]

Actually Silver I have to disagree with you here. Although Nolva is not the most potent anti-e it does cause some fat loss in the hard to lose areas, like the thighs and ass. Those areas are heavily influenced by estrogen. I would use both Nolva and Arimidex. Your diet is going to get you there.

What dosage do think nolva needs to be used at to get this effect? The most I have ever used is 20mg's.

 

[Makavelli]

What dosage do think nolva needs to be used at to get this effect? The most I have ever used is 20mg's.

It depends on the gender and what type of bodyfat distribution the person has. I use 20 mgs/day, but bump it up to 40 mgs/day 2 weeks out from a show. It works bro, try it.

 

[silverbackn]

It depends on the gender and what type of bodyfat distribution the person has. I use 20 mgs/day, but bump it up to 40 mgs/day 2 weeks out from a show. It works bro, try it.

My question is, if it binds at those sights does it control bloat in those areas too? It may decreases fat stores in those areas, but does it do anything to keep the bloat off those areas?

 

[Makavelli]

My question is, if it binds at those sights does it control bloat in those areas too? It may decreases fat stores in those areas, but does it do anything to keep the bloat off those areas?

Nolva can reduce bloat, but it's not specific to those areas. It will reduce overall bloat. It's not as strong as Arimidex though. That's why I use both.

 

[patsfan1379]

I have arimidex and nolva... I can work on the diet and add something.

Should it be adex or nolva for 4 weeks?

 

[Dial_tone]

I think you'd get more out of a proviron/nolva combo if you're trying to avoid AAS.

 

[patsfan1379]

Will Nolva have any adverse effects on my HPTA over 4 weeks?

 

[silverbackn]

Nolva can reduce bloat, but it's not specific to those areas. It will reduce overall bloat. It's not as strong as Arimidex though. That's why I use both.

I didn't think nolva did another to control total body bloat, I thought it was only a receptor antagonist. I used it with test and was still a blowfish, admittedly my nolva dose was pretty low though (10-20mg's). I used ldex at .5mg ed with a gram of test and was tight as a drum. In terms of cost and efficiency I would definitely choose the ldex from my experiences. I did learn a little about our old friend nolvy though.

 

[Makavelli]

I didn't think nolva did another to control total body bloat, I thought it was only a receptor antagonist. I used it with test and was still a blowfish, admittedly my nolva dose was pretty low though (10-20mg's). I used ldex at .5mg ed with a gram of test and was tight as a drum. In terms of cost and efficiency I would definitely choose the ldex from my experiences. I did learn a little about our old friend nolvy though.

I always recommend an AI with Nolva. Nolva will keep your cholesterol good too.

 

[Makavelli]

I agree with Dial Tone that Proviron works great too, but if you don't have any just use the Arimidex and Nolvadex.

 

[silverbackn]

I always recommend an AI with Nolva. Nolva will keep your cholesterol good too.

Nolva is worth using for that one reason alone!

 

[Makavelli]

Nolva is worth using for that one reason alone!

Fo Sho!

 

[LT3]

I didn't think nolva did another to control total body bloat, I thought it was only a receptor antagonist

thats what i thought.

 

[patsfan1379]

guys keep in mind I am not running any AAS... Just a diet/nolva or a-dex for 4 weeks.


Does anyone have any direct experience with any one of these compounds alone?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

guys keep in mind I am not running any AAS... Just a diet/nolva or a-dex for 4 weeks.


Does anyone have any direct experience with any one of these compounds alone?

sorry no comments in regards to that... BUT

Just a simple reminder on a side note... DON'T FORGET

Total Calories Input < Calories Expended = less weight period.

Digesting burns calories, more smaller meals would burn all day long.

Cardio burns calories too... but that's if you have time at all, I know you said 4 weeks.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I didn't think nolva did another to control total body bloat, I thought it was only a receptor antagonist. I used it with test and was still a blowfish, admittedly my nolva dose was pretty low though (10-20mg's). I used ldex at .5mg ed with a gram of test and was tight as a drum. In terms of cost and efficiency I would definitely choose the ldex from my experiences. I did learn a little about our old friend nolvy though.

Silver / Makavelli - ok, I know this isn't my thread, but have a quick question.... I'm on 600mg/week test e right now with deca 500mg/week... taking liquidex (1 dropper full ~ 0.7mg) ed... still seem to be holding some bloat... thinking of upping the dose to 1mg ed, but don't want it to hurt my gains (or will it?) - not taking nolva until PCT, don't have any problems with gyno, etc. What do you think?

 

[Makavelli]

Silver / Makavelli - ok, I know this isn't my thread, but have a quick question.... I'm on 600mg/week test e right now with deca 500mg/week... taking liquidex (1 dropper full ~ 0.7mg) ed... still seem to be holding some bloat... thinking of upping the dose to 1mg ed, but don't want it to hurt my gains (or will it?) - not taking nolva until PCT, don't have any problems with gyno, etc. What do you think?

Up the dose to 1 mg/day. Some guys use 2 mgs/day. It depends on how you react to test. Some hold lots of water and others very little. It's not going to hurt your muscle gains. It will slow weight gains, and you may in fact lose weight, but it's water, not muscle.

 

[silverbackn]

Up the dose to 1 mg/day. Some guys use 2 mgs/day. It depends on how you react to test. Some hold lots of water and others very little. It's not going to hurt your muscle gains. It will slow weight gains, and you may in fact lose weight, but it's water, not muscle.

Yep! He's on the money!

 

[MeatheadJD]

do a 4 week cycle of tren acetate and test prop w proviron clen and t3
and add your novladex if ya want

 

[Makavelli]

do a 4 week cycle of tren acetate and test prop w proviron clen and t3
and add your novladex if ya want

Bro did you read the thread? He doesn't want to use or can't get any AAS right now. All he has is nolva and arimidex.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Up the dose to 1 mg/day. Some guys use 2 mgs/day. It depends on how you react to test. Some hold lots of water and others very little. It's not going to hurt your muscle gains. It will slow weight gains, and you may in fact lose weight, but it's water, not muscle.

thanks Mak (Silver too)... was just concerned because I read on AG website a while back that higher dosages of arimidex / liquidex could reduce estrogen too much...only way of knowing that for sure is to do a blood test / salivary test... anyway, k to both of you!