getting a doctor to prescribe.

[ariolanine]

any ways to lower total test level before a full blood panel? have no other way of obtaining gear.

 

[genarr3]

How old are you?

Second it may just be a case of finding the right doctor. Where are you located?

 

[ariolanine]

I'm 27 in Portland, Oregon.

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

I used to live in Portland, Oregon quite a long time ago. Docs there seem very conservative on hormone issues from my experience. The only way they'd prescribe it is if you have a medically documented condition referred to as hypogonadism as most are a bit nervous about DEA watching/monitoring their scrips for certain items as red flags so understandably they are cautious as none of them wants to loose their license. Anti-aging medicine is also coming into vogue but I doubt that you would get much sympathy at 27 years of age in that department. It is not likely that your private insurance will cover the cost of the scrips, however, but there is a slight chance if your physician is sympathetic to your "condition" i.e. "hypogonadism" and knows how to write it. So be prepared to pay out of pocket for the scrips. In the U.S. a 10 MDV (multi dose vial) of testosterone cypionate at 200mg/ml is approximately $100 each and is good for ten 200 mg shots each and contains a total of 2,000 mg of testosterone. Syringes can be purchase over the counter in Oregon without a scrip but it is at the descretion of the pharmacy to sell them to you or not. They should run something like $27-$35 per box of 100 syringes with needles. Most pharmacies will sell them to you in Portland to be honest as it is the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Multnomah County afterall.......LOL. Of course, the more left wing socialist urban pharmacies in the urban portions of Multnomah County are much more likely to sell you syringes than the more conservative and suburban pharmacies that are in say in conservative Washington County. You'd be most likely to succeed seeing a urologist and complaining of ED, etc. You need to understand what the symptoms of low testosterone are and how they should present and make your "symptoms" fit the syndrome like a glove, i.e. complain of headaches, fatigue, low sex drive, low motivation, depression, etc. So do some research, etc. There is nothing like a good cycle to depress your testosterone levels so you may need to take an extended vacation in Mexico, etc....LOL for more than just the sun and this time of year, you could probably stand a little sun in Portland anyway. If you can't make a trip, you are going to have to find your own source for your cycle locally or by other means. Anyway, when they test your blood levels, make sure you have been off cycle just long enough for the testosterone to be low (you will probably feel like crap at that point) as you should NOT be on HCG but could use clen to help avoid the catabolic effects of coming off cycle (and this should not effect the blood tests of interest) and get your blood worked up. You do not want to be on HCG at this point as you are TRYING to make sure your testosterone levels are low. You need to be below 300 ng/dl for total testosterone to qualify as hypogonadal and the lower the better. It is highly improbable that they will test for Estrodiol, which would be a dead give away that you just did a cycle as it is the main estrogen type formed by the aromatayse enzyme working no the exogenous testosterone that you would have been injecting. Any decent steroid doc would know this. Your hematocrit will probably still be high but declining (possibly still in the 52-55 range) but only a good steroid doc would likely realize the significance of that either. All others might be curious as to why your blood is "so thick"....If your balls are shriveled, that is a good sign. I am assuming you ARE a guy.........LOL Of course, if the doc is VERY astute, he/she will test for LH/FSH to see where the problem lies in your being hypogonadal i.e. does the problem lie in the Leydig cells of the testes themselves or is it because you are not producing LH to signal the Leydig cells to produce testosterone? After a cycle, the levels of LH and FSH WILL be supressed as well. The astute physician would probably initially prescribe you HCG to correct the lack of LH/FSH and then retest your testosterone levels within four weeks to see if that worked enough to bring you back into the "normal range"--if yes, then his job is done. If not, some sort of supplemental testosterone could be necessary to add to the HCG (and if you get a doc to this point, you just sort of won the lottery for your scrips since you will have a standing "off label use" scrip for HCG and possibly a standing scrip for depo-testosterone but you might end up with androgel instead). However, most physicians are not that educated on this issue as male "hormone replacement" is relatively new and many would try to give you something practically worthless straight up like androgel without even trying to figure out why your levels are low. That would be the most conservative but also a fairly useless approach from what I have seen on lab tests. But you may luck out and get a scrip for injectible testosterone. Dending on if you know how to "push" the end result, you may get there but it will take time and planning going this route. Most will not freely or readily give away scrips for schedule III substances to be honest. As I said, the most likely type of doc to do that would be a urologist as they typically are very sympathetic to male functional issues and the least likely would be an endocrinologist since they have mostly been schooled in female hormone issues, are more often than not female hence coming from a female perspective on this issue and are almost never sympathetic to male hormone or functionality issues. An internal medicine doc would lie somewhere in between. There is a lot more to all of this if this is the way you want to proceed so ask around and do some research on it. There is nothing wrong with going to more than one doc for a second opinion (although neither doc necessarily needs to know that you have seen any other) and getting another "duplicate" scrip. Just make sure you pay for that one at a different pharmacy out of pocket (the pharmacy will have the scrip to cover their behind and you pay cash claiming you have no insurance so it is not likely that anyone will ask questions) as your insurance will absolutely catch that if you try to bill a duplicate through them and kick it back out. So don't even go there! If you are stupid enough to try to bill a duplicate through your insurance, then don't complain when the DEA breaks your door down you will have asked them for it! And you certainly did NOT hear any of this from me. Of course, I would absolutely not have ANY personal knowledge of all of this but I have HEARD........................so is this response deserving of any Karma?...........LOL

 

[Lestat]

I'll give you Karma if you start using paragraphs.

 

[ariolanine]

Thanks for the info NorCal. Karma has been delivered..

 

[doublebicep]

I'll give you Karma if you start using paragraphs.

Please use some paragraphs or some sort of break. Just trying to read your post gave me a pounding headache.

Good info...I need a asprin.

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

"Please use some paragraphs or some sort of break. Just trying to read your post gave me a pounding headache.

Good info...I need a asprin."

Sorry about that........I was just trying to get a lot of information out quickly as it is a fairly compicated but not undoable route to go.

Of course, I never claimed that I was a great writer.....<g>.....probably had WAY too many science courses in college and grad school, etc.........<veg>

 

[AustinTX]

LOL about the PPs.

Good info NorCal, but ariolanine, I don't think there's a chance in hell you're going to get a script for test at 27. It is pretty much a given that your insurance won't cover it, so there are cheaper alternatives.

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

ariolanine, you may want to consider swapping stuff you can get with people that have stuff you need and have problems getting what you can buy over the counter, like syringes. In many states syringes require a scrip also. Just a thought.

 

[ariolanine]

LOL about the PPs.

Good info NorCal, but ariolanine, I don't think there's a chance in hell you're going to get a script for test at 27. It is pretty much a given that your insurance won't cover it, so there are cheaper alternatives.

The problem with cheaper alternatives is that I don't really have any. I don't have a local source and I am terrified of flying so Europe is out of the question. A friend of mine just went to Thailand, but he wouldn't hook me up.

 

[ariolanine]

Keep looking, you will find a source

I wish I could be so optimistic. The one guy that uses at our gym looks so fucking raged, he would gouge out my eyes and skull fuck me if I approached.