Genetics vs Anabolics

[Bruvstar]

Just how important are genetics?
I've always typically had under 15%
bf. Lean muscle. Building muscle is going massively well. 6lbs a week and slowly dropping bf.

So when it comes to roids vs genetics. Which is going to have the most impact?

How important are genetics?
And will some people build just as well off steroids if they have good genetics.

Can't wait to hear back thanks guys.

 

[Voijn]

Steroids will improve your over all muscle development, combine it with a heavy diet and good training and u can harvest alot more musclemass and strength quicker then you would be able to if you dident use steroids.. + ull be able to reach goals that you would not be able to without

Genetics vs roids/money... i would choose genetics
Combine good genetics with roids and you´ll have a very good build! So yes genetics do have alot to say, take this for example:
1guy with good genetics
1guys with bad genetics

both eaten the same diet, training but the one with good genes is just far ahead... I mean theres different ways of seing genetics. A guy might be mesomorph and the other one ectomoprh, bodybuilding´wise mesomorph has the over all best genetics for building muscle

yet again, bodybuilding isent just about building muscle... u gotta train,eat,diet,motivate ect.

I was skinny when i was 16years old, but i started to eat well and trained my ass off! allthough my genes might not be the best i developed far more beyound people that had the good genes

some of these guys had breaks and dident eat right, wasent motivated... I see my self as the perfect combination of genes,motivation,ect.ect.ect
What keeps me going, my will to become the best that i can...

i wish i had this drive in everything in life, but truth is i dont. If i had i would be a freakin milionare

 

[Bruvstar]

I cannot say how much I appreciate that post.

I can relate a lot. The only thing I committed to was gymnastics 12 years on I competed for Britain. But your right... If people with potential put that effort in and didn't cut corners we'd all be so successful. But the fact I can relate has given me that bit more so thanks. I've just properly sorted my diet out and
Can honestly say I'm taking it deadly serious with dieting now.

So if I'm 6ft 180lbs 14%bf fat just pours off me but muscle has built at 6lbs a week since i started this month.

and have been training 4 months.

How's that for genetics, would
You consider those poor genetics or good genetics? I want it so bad, it's unreal

 

[wcjcMr.O]

there are so many different factors when were talking about genetics.

natural size/shape, your ability to gain muscle, how well you respond to gear(thats a huge one)

look at Kevin Levrone now. He looks like a normal dude. If I didnt know who he was I would probably never look at him thinking he was anything special. But the guys is a freak in his responisvness to gear.

My best friend is natually a pretty big guy and gains muscle pretty easily when his schedule and diet is spot on. But he has taken a few designer steroids and really doesnt gain that much. But when I take the same compunds as him I look like a different person in 2 weeks. Its pisses him off. lol

there are people out there that will grow on 500mg/week that other people would need a much higher dose to get the same results. There just really is so many factors. How your body handles different nutrients is a big one too. Its pretty hard to say how good ones genetics are unless youve been training for some time.

but there are always gonna be that guy that was born with peaking biceps right out of the womb. lol There is always someone with better genetics. You just have to work harder.

Dorian yates said he doesnt think his genetics are really that great. He just worked harder than everyone else. lol sure, whatever you say 6 time mr.o. LMAO

 

[jimbob1]

I would say genetics is a huge part if you want the whole package. I for one have fair genetics until I get to my arms. Everything else on me will blow up except my arms, and I do give them special attention with unsatisfactory results. Then you look at other guys who just look at a dumbell and they have 20 inch arms!!!

 

[stevesmi]

if you want to be Mr. Olympia you need not great genetics but incredibly great genetics. i don't care how hard you work, how good your diet is, or how much juice you take. combined together and with a lot of luck to avoid injuries and personal setbacks you can get there.

the good thing about this sport though is no matter how bad or good your genetics is you can still go out there and kill it in the gym. everyone has different levels, you compete vs. yourself in this sport. week to week, month to month, year by year. even if you are weak and can only max 200 on the bench it doesn't mean you still can't bust your ass and try to get to 205 or 210. i see a lot of guys at the gym who are there almost everyday like me who go nowhere, but they still progress somewhat year over year. thats the fun part of this sport, anyone can do it no matter your height/weight/genetics/gender etc etc

 

[Iron Warrior707]

Genetics matters only if you're going for a world record or to be a mr Olympia im talking like ronnie coleman.. Steroids have a bigger impact, because your adding hormones to your body..
If you take a guy who has the best genetics on this planet vs a guys who inject 1g of test with medicore genetic, i bet my nutsack the dude who inject will be much bigger, stronger and leaner than the guy whos natural, its a no brainer, anabolics have a much bigger impact..

 

[Bruvstar]

Thanks guys thats interesting.

I want to be the best I can be. I'm
Don't want to stop till there is no more to be achieved. I'm not
Looking to compete. More for my own personal gain and satisfaction. Although it would be nice to think I could.

Well, I guess I won't know how good genetics are until after a bit
Longer

 

[curls4girls]

Genetics hands down.


Compare the high school jock football player to the biggest band nerd.

If both diet correctly, train hard and go by the book; you can give the band nerd all the juice you want to, he's just not going to get as big as someone with good genes

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Genetics hands down.


Compare the high school jock football player to the biggest band nerd.

If both diet correctly, train hard and go by the book; you can give the band nerd all the juice you want to, he's just not going to get as big as someone with good genes

I agree completely Genetics beat juice.

If you look like Shi* without juice, and then you juice, your just gonna be a bigger piece of Shi*

 

[Judo Tom]

not counting professional/competitive bodybuilders...

I think genetics are hugely over rated. Ive yet to meet anyone who dedicated them self in the gym and in the kitchen who did not have AMAZING results. Yeah some were definitely more profound then others and guys who I know only put in 80% effort got better gains then the guy who did put in 100% but again Ive yet to see anyone truly dedicate them self and not achieve crazy life changing results.

Kinda like steve said.. its doesnt matter what the other guy has or does. who cares. if most people put all the energy they use up from being hateful/jealous of others into their own diet/routine they wouldnt have to care about them.

Whenever someone comes to me and blames genetics I just tell them its the last time I want them to speak that word or think about it for 6 months and in 6 months with 100% true dedication and intensity they will look back and laugh.

 

[Bruvstar]

Luckily my genetics aren't really bad.

But i'd agree, although Genetics are what will enable that one extra step at the highest level, for what most body builders want, it's not actually relevant. Although it may help in Certain aspects, like starting point, Raw talent, Recovery time, Speed your able to build/bulk at.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks guys thats interesting.

I want to be the best I can be. I'm
Don't want to stop till there is no more to be achieved. I'm not
Looking to compete. More for my own personal gain and satisfaction. Although it would be nice to think I could.

Well, I guess I won't know how good genetics are until after a bit
Longer

that is one angle of it. but the second angle is when you get the body you love mantaining and improving on that becomes harder and harder. take off 2 weeks from the gym and goodbye gains, pig out and party all weekend and don't get any sleep. goodbye gains too. that is the challenge, keeping what you got, and keeping the weight you can bench/squat whatever.

 

[Bruvstar]

I'm commited to it Stevesmi But yeh I see where your coming from. I'll start getting up natural cycle pictures soon.

What do you think the first bulking cycle should be when it comes round to it? Or wont we be able to say until we see results from natural?

 

[stevesmi]

just an idea but look at it this way. back in middle school were you the kid who got picked last for sports? or were you the guy everyone wanted on their team?

that just might be though that some guys are just taller and bigger at those ages.. or that they developed good skills through their parents enrolling them in leagues growing up.. so there are so many factors to the equation.

i was one of the last picked for sports little steve was short and skinny at the time. but he was fast! i bet today those guys picked ahead of me can't squat 450 or bench 330 though like i can

 

[stevesmi]

What do you think the first bulking cycle should be when it comes round to it? Or wont we be able to say until we see results from natural?

a bulker would be dbol/test/NPP

anytime you mess with nandrolones though you need to be careful, so its not a good first cycle.. .maybe a 3rd cycle once you get 2 successful cycles and PCT's under your belt.

 

[ConanX]

A lot of genetics has to do with how you respond to gear and how you handle the side effects. Your structure and such only matter at a high level of competition.

Let's say that you have a phenominal response to gear and you handle side effects fine. You have been lifting weights for 3 years, dieting great, and are around 175lbs at 10%bf. Take Test 800mg/week, Tren Ace 700mg/week, and HGH 8iu's ED (minimum)...take ALL of that for 6 months straight. You will be a freak who can step on stage and compete at over 200lbs. As long as your training and diet go down fine.

IMO, Genetics and Exogenous Hormones go hand in hand. Your genetics are that you can handle and grow from the hormones. Not that you were a thick 250lb pile of crap in highschool football. You can be a skinny bastard but if you respond well to gear and have a high tolerance for side effects than you will GROW and look incredible.

All in my opinion.

 

[Bruvstar]

Sorry, unfamiliar with the Term NPP? And Can't wait for the next 3 months

I wasn't particularly great at any one sport other than gymnastics, just an all arounder I guess, quite good at most things but great at nothing. I'm fed up of that now, I want to be very good at just one thing. My time to shine haha.

^^ Couldn't agree more.

 

[Cali72]

I agree completely Genetics beat juice.

If you look like Shi* without juice, and then you juice, your just gonna be a bigger piece of Shi*

Lmao.

 

[stevesmi]

Sorry, unfamiliar with the Term NPP? And Can't wait for the next 3 months

I wasn't particularly great at any one sport other than gymnastics, just an all arounder I guess, quite good at most things but great at nothing. I'm fed up of that now, I want to be very good at just one thing. My time to shine haha.

^^ Couldn't agree more.

NPP is like deca but a shorter ester. nandrolones.

i always recommend NPP over deca for recovery purposes. i will never ever ever run deca again (good shit but its a long recovery), but i would possibly run NPP.

 

[Bruvstar]

What's NPPs actual name? Because NPP is an abbreviation? Thanks though I'll look into it

 

[stevesmi]

Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate

its sold as NPP though. its not that popular cause of availability, as everyone wants deca instead.

 

[Voijn]

Natural talent your born with "Genes"
"Skills" is just hours of hard work on your craft

You see, in a sport of bodybuilding genes is the ultimate... In some sports they dont require that you have a certent set of genes to be able to compete at a high level. Tennis for example does have a open range of bodytimes, pingpong,football, chess ect.

bodybuilding,sprinting,swimming a big amount of these atlethes look alike in bodytypes, thats why they are "natural talents"