Gear is ordered - now what?

[Big Burt]

OK ... got my first order in today. Expect shipment in a couple weeks.

I'm 44, 215 lbs., work out 4x a week. Eat lots and sleep lots.

Here's what I ordered. I'd appreciate any comments or thoughts....

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test E (2x per week of 250)
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid
Clenbuterol for PCT

I'm a little freaked out ... but have done a lot of reading and this seems right. Any help men?

 

[pda321]

if u can find a source for hcg that would probably be ideal.

 

[Big Burt]

if u can find a source for hcg that would probably be ideal.

Would you use hcg in addition to or instead of clenbuterol?

 

[chefbone]

Would you use hcg in addition to or instead of clenbuterol?

Clen is not AI or estrogen suppressor. It is used to stimulate heart-rate in order to cut fat. You can use it along with the nolva and clomid, just don't depend on it!

 

[fergie]

I wouldnt use the clen after the cycle, you want to maintain as much of your gains as possible and clen will not help you there IMO

 

[R1 Psycho]

I wouldnt use the clen after the cycle, you want to maintain as much of your gains as possible and clen will not help you there IMO

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't clen help during PCT as it blocks cortizole which in turn stops catabolism....????

Anyone know for sure?

 

[bicepts101]

wow

clen and hcg are not even is the country.

clen does not block cortisal in fact it may raise cortisol levels. in mice(i beleive) when it down regulates the beta 2 adrenal receptor, the beta 3 is activated and inhibits proteinsynthesis...in mice not in humans we barely have this receptor

 

[FaCkEnBaSsTaRd]

At 44 I would stay away from the clen. I'm 39 and wont ever touch the shit again. I think its one of the worst sups you could take other then DNP. Everybody reacts to it differently.
I was diagnosed with CSR (central serous retinapathy) It is a result of the detachment of most of the layers of the retina (the back of the eye) from its supporting tissue as a result of the buildup of fluid. The buildup of fluid appears to be due to one or more small breaks in the retinal pigment epithelium.
It hits males between the ages of 20 to 40. Its like your looking through a gray balloon. The fluid usually absorbs into the retina and your vision goes back to normal. Some of the causes of this disease is cortisone steroids eg prednisolone, dexamethasone
High blood cortisol levels and Stress of any kind which causes your cortisol levels to rise.
I took 1 tab of clen (sirpotent 0.02mg) started to cramp and get the shakes and 5hrs later my vision in my right eye started to cloud up. I ended up getting laser surgery to stop the leak 2 months later
So if you ask me Clen is not anti-catabolic and should be respected. I know alot wont agree with me on this but for me it was very catabolic.

 

[krishna]

Skip the clen and get some HCG, or at least some tribulus. Good luck bro!

 

[|3ossman]

ditto, no to the clen, yes to the HCG

go to the PCT board and check out the stickies on HCG, very informative and a must

 

[Makavelli]

I don't think HCG is a necessity, but it won't hurt.

 

[Big Burt]

I don't think HCG is a necessity, but it won't hurt.

Sounds like I'll skip the Clen. Will the Nolva and Clomid be sufficient? I understand HCG helps ball shrinkage .. but are there other benefits? I'd like to take as little as possible for this first cycle, but also don't want the e sides.

Still wondering ...

 

[Exosist]

ditto, no to the clen, yes to the HCG

go to the PCT board and check out the stickies on HCG, very informative and a must

what he said

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'd go with HCG and Nolva... skip the clomid... not necessary... and if you react to it anyway close to the way I did, you'll thank me (depression sides were killer!)

 

[djsf]

Sounds like I'll skip the Clen. Will the Nolva and Clomid be sufficient? I understand HCG helps ball shrinkage .. but are there other benefits? I'd like to take as little as possible for this first cycle, but also don't want the e sides.

Still wondering ...

HGC definitely grows your balls back like a miracle. If you can get it inexpensively, I would run it with PCT for any cycle that involves any amount of ball shrinkage.

Other benefits... it increases semen production, so you will cum like a porn star for a few days.

 

[swordfish151]

like the other bro's have stated...no need for the clen...clen is mainly used for fat loss and is not needed in your cycle....i would get some HCG and drop the clomid..the nolvadex will do just fine.

 

[djsf]

like the other bro's have stated...no need for the clen...clen is mainly used for fat loss and is not needed in your cycle....i would get some HCG and drop the clomid..the nolvadex will do just fine.

The only real reason to use clen during your PCT is to lean up post-cycle. It has no actual PCT function. It's basically for additional "vanity" to polish off your physique after having build muscle in your cycle. You can accomplish the same with diet, cardio and an ECA stack if you like.

 

[|3ossman]

Sounds like I'll skip the Clen. Will the Nolva and Clomid be sufficient? I understand HCG helps ball shrinkage .. but are there other benefits? I'd like to take as little as possible for this first cycle, but also don't want the e sides.

Still wondering ...

Nolva and clomid does not feel sufficient enough to me, HCG is a must, my recovery is 10000x better with it. Like night and day difference, i bet most bros on here that have gone both ways would attest to that. Thats great that you want to take as little as possible for your first cycle, smart, but PCT is NOT the place to skimp on. No reason at all to use a little bit for your first PCT, its not even an issue. When people talk about using low doses starting out they are referring to the actual AAS, not the ancillaries (nolva, clomid, anstrazole, fermara, HCG).

 

[Big Burt]

Nolva and clomid does not feel sufficient enough to me, HCG is a must, my recovery is 10000x better with it. Like night and day difference, i bet most bros on here that have gone both ways would attest to that. Thats great that you want to take as little as possible for your first cycle, smart, but PCT is NOT the place to skimp on. No reason at all to use a little bit for your first PCT, its not even an issue. When people talk about using low doses starting out they are referring to the actual AAS, not the ancillaries (nolva, clomid, anstrazole, fermara, HCG).

Thanks everybody. Sounds like HCG is a must. I better order it up!

 

[shawnerk]

other than the hcg - your cycle looks good and pretty well planned out - good luck

 

[LVTitan]

Sounds like I'll skip the Clen. Will the Nolva and Clomid be sufficient? I understand HCG helps ball shrinkage .. but are there other benefits? I'd like to take as little as possible for this first cycle, but also don't want the e sides.

Still wondering ...

i'd even drop the clomid, do hcg/nolva.
clomid has too many sides, and nolva does the job at lower dosages.
fuck clomiD !

 

[LVTitan]

I'd go with HCG and Nolva... skip the clomid... not necessary... and if you react to it anyway close to the way I did, you'll thank me (depression sides were killer!)

i just noticed you posted almost the same thing !
i agree 100%
clomid almost took my life

 

[MeatheadJD]

I dont think u need hcg for that cycle you should recover ok
maybe some anti e during to stop bloat
but it seems pretty safe
you should be fine
i agree maybe you too old for clen

 

[Big Burt]

I dont think u need hcg for that cycle you should recover ok
maybe some anti e during to stop bloat
but it seems pretty safe
you should be fine
i agree maybe you too old for clen

So how much HGC and for how long? When should I begin taking it?