GBL vs. GHB

[AnabolicusEroticus]

If someone hypothetically had some GBL, what would be the advantages of converting it to GHB? I know GHB is non toxic and am pretty sure that GBL is also mild in toxicity, but am not sure. I just don't see how adding sodium or potassium hydroxide with water to GBL would make it less toxic, when converting it to GHB.

I've done GBL before, but never GHB and was just curious as if it is worth the conversion process. GBL has a longer active life and one can definately sleep longer before the dopanine rebound effect occurs compared to GHB from what I've heard. This is definately advantageous IMO. Are the euphoric feelings much different between the two? I would assume GBL's euphoric effects would be longer lasting as well since it takes time to actually convert to GHB and is active in and of itself. My greatest concern though is the toxicity and of GHB is indeed more safe in this regard. I appreciate any helpul input that any of you bro's can provide.

 

[juggernaut7]

wouldnt bother with gbl

i wouldnt bother with the gbl...id just great good ole ghb and use that....aahhhhh...its nice to know the rite ppl lol

peace

 

[AnabolicusEroticus]

But the conversion can be done quite easily, so your point is kind of moot. My questions on the benfits of GHB over GBL, if any, still remain unanswered.

 

[Daeo]

The buzz you experience from GHB to GBL is different. Most times I get a dizzy/nauseous feeling from 1,4 or GBL. Especially if I'm active. GHB gives me a much cleaner buzz and I can do more than just sit on a couch and hope my stomach doesn't get too upset. But if you don't experience any nausea from the GBL and don't mind waiting a few extra minutes before the buzz there's really no overpowering reason to convert it in my opinion...

 

[CYCLEON]

since I use it for sleep - GBL is better IMO

 

[TraxZBT]

The buzz you experience from GHB to GBL is different. Most times I get a dizzy/nauseous feeling from 1,4 or GBL. Especially if I'm active. GHB gives me a much cleaner buzz and I can do more than just sit on a couch and hope my stomach doesn't get too upset. But if you don't experience any nausea from the GBL and don't mind waiting a few extra minutes before the buzz there's really no overpowering reason to convert it in my opinion...

few extra minutes? GBL hits me faster than GHB.. GHB takes a good 10 minutes while GBL takes 40 seconds.. (clocked it one day)

 

[AnabolicusEroticus]

Thanks guys for your personal experience and responses. Now does anyone think GBL is more toxic, especially to the liver than GHB. I beleive GHB is metabolized as carbon dioxide and warer, whereas 1, 4 is somewhat hepatoxic since it is metabolized via the liver like an alcohol.

I've taken 1, 4 before with no major ill effects, while on, just excessively hungry usually after a few hours and I think that it hindered gains somewhat from my last cycle, due to it's alcohol like qualities. The euphoric high though, was usually pretty good and sleep was usually sufficient. The next day after taking it though, I usually felt dehydrated and lethargic, somewhat how I feel, though to a lesser extgent, when I used to drink too much.

Does anyone beleive GBL or GHB can possibly hinder gains or do they have no impact and perhaps positive impact on muscle mass\fat loss, due to their effect on GH levels overriding the concurrent spike in prolactin levels? Also, some knowledgable info on GBL metabolism and heptaoxicity would be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Daeo]

few extra minutes? GBL hits me faster than GHB.. GHB takes a good 10 minutes while GBL takes 40 seconds.. (clocked it one day)

That's strange. Especially from a pharmacological point of view(since GBL has to be converted into GHB in your body, which takes time-not much granted). Maybe it affects you differently. GHB hits me fairly quickly, as opposed to GBL and 1,4...

 

[Fonz]

That's strange. Especially from a pharmacological point of view(since GBL has to be converted into GHB in your body, which takes time-not much granted). Maybe it affects you differently. GHB hits me fairly quickly, as opposed to GBL and 1,4...

He probably had food in his stomach still.

When your stomach is empty, GHB hits you in 3-5 min.

GBL takes about the same. Difference is
pretty negligible.

The only difference is a better "buzz" from GHB than GBL.

GBL up-sets my stomach while GHB doesn't.

Fonz

 

[Daeo]

He probably had food in his stomach still.

When your stomach is empty, GHB hits you in 3-5 min.

GBL takes about the same. Difference is
pretty negligible.

The only difference is a better "buzz" from GHB than GBL.

GBL up-sets my stomach while GHB doesn't.

Fonz

What the hell took you so long. Usually you're the first to answer. Getting old? ...

 

[Daeo]

Thanks guys for your personal experience and responses. Now does anyone think GBL is more toxic, especially to the liver than GHB. I beleive GHB is metabolized as carbon dioxide and warer, whereas 1, 4 is somewhat hepatoxic since it is metabolized via the liver like an alcohol.

I've taken 1, 4 before with no major ill effects, while on, just excessively hungry usually after a few hours and I think that it hindered gains somewhat from my last cycle, due to it's alcohol like qualities. The euphoric high though, was usually pretty good and sleep was usually sufficient. The next day after taking it though, I usually felt dehydrated and lethargic, somewhat how I feel, though to a lesser extgent, when I used to drink too much.

Does anyone beleive GBL or GHB can possibly hinder gains or do they have no impact and perhaps positive impact on muscle mass\fat loss, due to their effect on GH levels overriding the concurrent spike in prolactin levels? Also, some knowledgable info on GBL metabolism and heptaoxicity would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Sorry to dodge your main question for so long.

In my opinion GHB does not impair gains when you look at the whole picture. Most of us are regular human beings and like to let loose once in a while. Saying that if you have a choice between a six pack of beer or a few caps of GHB the answer is simple.

The effects of GHB if taken on occasion and used wisely(ex.not taking so much that you don't know what zip code you're in)will not get into the way of everyday training. From my personal experiences I feel better the day after a good nights sleep after a good GHB buzz.

A line is definitely crossed when usage turns into abuse. If the need to get trashed everyday gets in the way of training then you may want to reconsider your usage of GHB.

My opinion as to whether GHB aids in muscle growth or helps burn fat is a resounding NO. Sure it may help keep away unnecessary calories from alcohol. But in my opinion using something like GHB to help you burn fat or gain muscle is looking for trouble. . I may not agree that GHB is an addictive substance PHYSICALLY, but when looking for excuses for mental weaknesses people never like to blame themselves.

The toxicity of GBL to GHB is negligible. Straight GBL is more of a mucous irritant than toxin. But a good point to consider is that if you get to the point when the level of your consumption is making you wonder about toxicity you should be reevaluating your usage.

Hope I helped and didn't sound like your Dad too much...

 

[Fonz]

What the hell took you so long. Usually you're the first to answer. Getting old? ...

Yeah.....LOL

I think after answering the same questions like 1000X
you just nod your head and move on.

Besides, no anti-GHB fanatic has graced the boards in a while....LOL

I must have scared them

Fonz

 

[Daeo]

Yeah.....LOL

I think after answering the same questions like 1000X
you just nod your head and move on.

Besides, no anti-GHB fanatic has graced the boards in a while....LOL

I must have scared them

Fonz

Hehe. The night is young. You just watch...

 

[harddtime]

i talked to FS on this subject, trying to find the info but can't seem to right now. The things i do remember is the GBL irritates your throat after prolonged use, i can attest to that. I took GBL for a month or two straight and it def fuct with my throat, i was hocking shit up i've never seen before, and it was soo damn sticky too, it was hard as hell to get up. I talked to a few other kids i know who use it all the time and they all had the same symptoms, throat feels like it's dry, even after drinking a shitload of water, stuffy nose...also i remember FS saying it's not good for tooth enamel. I've never seen any of these side effects for xyrem (rx GHB) so my guess is their caused by GBL.

 

[AnabolicusEroticus]

Thanks so much guys for the valuable responses, especially you Daeo. And Fonz, if you want to find all the anti-GHB basket cases, just head over to the defunct, moronic Anabolex board. I posted the exact same question there and all I received, were childish and propaganda ridden responses, like, "this thread will be gone soon" and "you've been a mamber since early last year and you ask this dumb question" and shit of that sort. It's reassuring to know that I can rely on numerous bro's on this board for articulate and intelligent answers and opinions in regards to various subjects.