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GBL/1,4 Butantediol (GBO) are NOT the same as GHB!

Big Johnson

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Yo,

This post is for educational purposes ONLY! Having, posesing, or selling GHB is against the law, and I do not condone its use in any way.

Seems alot of bros are taking the afore mention two instead of the real deal (GHB). Both GBL and GBO are TOXIC, with gbo ranking numero uno. Say bye-bye to your liver.

If you are going to take a rec drug that may actually have a positive impact on your fitness lifestyle, it is my humble opinion that GHB is the way to go. No other rec drug is less harmful to your body than G, nor does any other offer the increase in GH secretion.

Pure GHB sould taste salty, have a very faint yellow tinge to it, and, if liquid, be about as thick as hot maple syrup when poured. The pottasium base should taste a bit like salty black licorice, and be clear and almost colorless. It is much less common to see G dyed with blue food coloring these days.

The dose for anyone who has never taken G should be minimal. Less that half a cap, with a cap being 1/4 to 1/5 of an ounce. Women should take 1/4 or less.

Signs someone has taken too much G:

1. Unwakable sleep or coma (very scary for someone to see if they don't know what to expect. Most wake feeling fine after 4 hours or so).

2. Vomitting

3. Siezure-like twitching (not dangerous but very, very scarey for people who don't know what it is).

If someone have taken a very large amout (20-30 caps), they are in very real danger of dying. Otherwise, the only concern for most is suffocation on one's own vomit.

Don't be afraid to take medical action if in doubt; you can always say it was given to you be "some guy" who hangs out in the mall or at a party without incriminating anyone.

And, of course, don't mix with alcohol or a downer.

Sleep well :)
 
What study do you have to back up that GBL is toxic to the human body? I have read several that says it is not.



" Question: In the Life Extension magazine’s Q&A column, Tom Matthews wrote that gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) “should not be taken supplementally but should only be used in the synthesis of GHB outside the body.” He then cited an oral LD-50 of 17.2 ml/kg for GBL in rats. Any comments? ——CF

Answer: A dose of 17.2 ml/kg in a 50 kg (112 lb) person would be 860 ml of GBL, which is about 170 teaspoons! That’s nearly a quart of GBL! Since the average person using GBL would be expected to use approximately 1/4-1/2 tsp. (1-2 ml), this represents a theoretical safety margin of 400:1, which is exceedingly high by almost any standard. There is no obvious reason for citing such a high LD-50 as apparent justification for an absolute dis-recommendation for GBL. Scientifically, that would be like citing the danger of sunburn as a basis for trashing the use of 100 watt light bulbs.

In a long-term dosing experiment in rodents, very high doses of butyrolactone showed a surprising lack of toxicity [NTIS, 1992]. The researchers gave 0, 112 and 225 mg/kg GBL to male rats; 0, 225 and 450 mg/kg GBL to female rats; and 0, 262 and 526 mg/kg GBL to both male and female mice. Scaled to human body size, these rodent dosages are about ten times what humans would use. The GBL was administered 5 days per week by gavage (stomach tube).

At the end of 2 years (old age, for rats), the survival of male rats was 48% for the control group, 54% for the intermediate-dose group and 64% for the high-dose group. That’s right, the GBL-treated male rats lived longer! This was attributed to a decreased incidence of mononuclear leukemia. In the female rats receiving double the dose of the male rats, the survival was not significantly different between the three groups: 56%, 54% and 54% respectively. However, the body weight of the GBL-dosed females was 10-20% lower than that of the controls.

In the mice, body weights were reduced in both sexes, 6% in the males and 14-17% in the females. Female survival at two years (also old age for mice) was 76% in the control group, 68% in the intermediate-dose group and 76% in the high-dose group. Male survival was a disaster. Survival was 70% in the control group, 60% in the intermediate-dose group and 24% in the high-dose group. The higher mortality was attributed entirely to fighting and bite wounds inflicted during recovery from GBL-induced sedation. At week 67, the high-dose males were transferred from group cages to individual cages, thus eliminating fighting-related deaths and allowing males to gain back some of their lost weight.

GBL administration caused no increased incidence of neoplasms (tumors) or lesions (tissue damage) in the male rats. Female rats showed a decrease in the incidence of mammary cysts (84%, 70% and 46%), pituitary cysts (50%, 35% and 22%) and mammary fibroadenomas (44%, 28% and 12%), which were all attributed to GBL. GBL-treated male mice showed a reduced incidence of hepatocellular adenoma (liver tumor) (48%, 16% and 18%) and an increased incidence of pheochromacytoma (adrenal tumor) (4%, 12% and 8%).

What does all this mean? The predominance of strong positive effects over weak adverse effects at such high dosages establishes that GBL is fundamentally safe and potentially beneficial.

Despite the illogic of Matthew’s presentation, there may be some wisdom in his advice. There is certainly a lot we do not know about exactly how we might adapt to long-term use of butyrolactone in different circumstances. I have two concerns. The first is acidosis. Every molecule of GBL that is hydrolyzed by lactonase generates one molecule of GHB-acid [illustration not shown], or, equivalently, consumes one molecule of hydroxide [sidebar not shown]. This can alter pH (acidity-alkalinity) in the blood stream. In some people, blood acidification might be a problem. While it is true that 1-2 grams of an organic acid is not a very large acidification effect in absolute terms, it happens in a relatively short period of time and may have subtle effects on pH-dependent systems. For example, blood pH is critical for regulating the binding and release of oxygen from hemoglobin. This might affect somebody with emphysema (with deficient oxygen absorption) or diabetes (with higher risk of lactic acidosis) more than somebody in good health. Similarly, food choices affect blood acidity. Somebody eating an extreme diet might be more susceptible to circulatory acidosis than somebody eating a mixed diet. Since rats and mice tolerate this acidification effect at a ten-times greater magnitude, it is not likely to be a problem in normal, healthy people. However, it is a general rule that the average lab rat eats a more nutritious diet than the average person. So, this could be a problem in some people.

Another concern of mine is the potential problem of frequent use (multiple times per day), which has not been adequately studied. All of the prople who have reported withdrawal symptoms to me had used GBL (or GHB) on a semi-continuous basis. The dopamine suppression/rebound effect from GBL and GHB can be a powerful motivational influence. Excess dopamine is compulsive. It can make people obsess. It magnifies our response to stimulation. It is not unreasonable to suggest that rebound dopamine might have been responsible for the increased fighting among male mice in the above study.

While the effect of rebound dopamine is only transitory when GBL is given once a day, it may become magnified when subsequent doses are used in rapid succession to suppress the dopamine rebound [illustration not shown]. There may be even longer-term adaptations to dopamine suppression that might occur if dopamine is suppressed for days or weeks at a time. Upregulation of dopamine receptors is one possibility.

One way to monitor potential long-term adaptations to GBL is to take periodic breaks: one day off per week, one week off per month, one month off per year, etc.

If we lived in a rational world, GHB would be readily available and butyrolactone use would be unnecessary. But the reality of the situation is that medical use of GHB in the United States has been rendered all but impossible. Despite the avowed “intentions” of legislators who stated in hearings that they had no wish to prevent legitimate medical use of GHB, GHB has become unavailable. Patients needing GHB are not able to get their prescriptions filled anywhere in the USA. The use of butyrolactone may be a second-choice solution, but it may be better than doing without GHB or butyrolactone. Certainly, the FDA and police will have a harder time eliminating butyrolactone because of wide-spread industrial uses that must be sacrificed to accomplish a zero-tolerance policy. So far, GHB prohibitionists show no sign if recognizing the immense economic costs of criminalizing butyrolactone. Florida has already passed their anti-butyrolactone bill, and California’s bill is already out of Committee in the Assembly. It’s full steam ahead on the Titanic with the captain asleep and no iceberg early-warning system in sight. ——SWF"
 
I wanted to add that I do agree with not using 1,4 Butantediol (GBO), if anyone is using this I would do some research first.
 
One more point. If you are buying GHB it's the same as buying heroin! (schedule 1 drug). If you are buying GBL it is only a schedule 1 chemical not drug, which is not illegal other than in california. Check you state laws to be safe. As you can see for legal reasons alone GBL is the ideal choice over GHB. Be safe.
 
GBL does have some attributes that make it favorable over GHB. However, the GHB high is better and feels cleaner. With respect to toxicity, I'll have to do some research myself to back it up.
 
recently had a blood test done... after 8 months of consuming GBL every night for sleep purposes, my liver was in PERFECT shape.
 
GBL is NOT liver-toxic!!!!! Its actually quite safe if used in small amounts.The media has once again hyped out a drug.GBL is a precursor to GHB and has lots of clinical studies saying its NOT toxic to the liver

J
 
Good points here! :) Stay away from 1,4-bdo, bad bad bad, metabolized thru the same metabolic pathway as alcohol. GBL and ghb on the other hand are metabolically safe with overuse/abuse being a problem. I personally prefer gbl since it does not have the addtional sodium.
 
thecockdiesel said:
One more point. If you are buying GHB it's the same as buying heroin! (schedule 1 drug). If you are buying GBL it is only a schedule 1 chemical not drug, which is not illegal other than in california. Check you state laws to be safe. As you can see for legal reasons alone GBL is the ideal choice over GHB. Be safe.

It's too bad that I know one guy who got caught with GBL and is in just about the same amount of legal trouble as if he would have had GHB. I think the intent of the product plays an important part also...
 
Daeo said:


It's too bad that I know one guy who got caught with GBL and is in just about the same amount of legal trouble as if he would have had GHB. I think the intent of the product plays an important part also...

yup... if you get caught with the stuff... you better prove that you only had it to degrease your car or paint strip something. Now if you get caught with GBL in a water bottle, your screwed.
 
TraxZBT said:


yup... if you get caught with the stuff... you better prove that you only had it to degrease your car or paint strip something. Now if you get caught with GBL in a water bottle, your screwed.

Exactamundo. Choosing GBL over GHB for legality purposes is stupid...
 
You will know the difference if you are caught importing GHB instead of GBL, GHB would be a fellony drug charge. Importing GBL cleaner is legal in most states. Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself.
 
Importing from where? GHB can be easily found in the states and so can GBL. Mail is hardly scrutinzed enough for one to worry about that being the main factor in getting caught(unless fluid in leaking out of the fucking package). In the end either drug will get you into legal trouble. So I don't personally see a point in choosing GBL over GHB. I hear alot of talk about people taking fina because it's legal, taking 1,4 and GBL because it's legal. For the purposes that most have these products they're are not though. And if you really think the law is going to believe that you are degreasing your engine with your GBL and trying to bulk up a cow that you don't have with your fina, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
 
Most of the GBL that is used to make GHB is imported from other countries. I don't really care what you use. I'm just saying that if you are going to order one of the two you would be better off to order the one that is not a schedule I drug, a felony. For example would you rather be caught ordering clomid which is a perscription drug or would you rather be caught ordering heroin?That sould be easy to answer. I'm only stating the legal status of each drug, not trying to talk you into using either one. If you are dumb enough to tell them that you are using it for something other than cleaning grease from your car engine then you should get in trouble for being an idiot. Atleast with gbl you have the option to keep your mouth shut and go free, with GHB you are screwed peroid.
 
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jatos, i left you a response, and GBL is not illegal as others have said, if you have GBL, keep it in the container it came in, don't put it in a water bottle. and by the way GHB is NOT always thick as maple syrup, it can be rather watery and still be quite strong, so just because it looks thin doesn't mean its weak!
 
Information purposes only not intended for anything other than theory.

Jatos

If you had 2 oz of pure GBL then the the average density of GBL (1.124 gms/ml) The best way to mix that would be to use 1.5 - 2 ml in some juice right before usage. Store the rest in the original container.
 
DRRman said:
jatos, i left you a response, and GBL is not illegal as others have said, if you have GBL, keep it in the container it came in, don't put it in a water bottle. and by the way GHB is NOT always thick as maple syrup, it can be rather watery and still be quite strong, so just because it looks thin doesn't mean its weak!

Most of the GHB I get is thin as water. I actually haven't seen any thick as maple syrup yet. And GBL is illegal for consumption. Right along the lines of DNP. But like you said keep it in it's original container, and if you get caught with it hope they buy your story... :D
 
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