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the big debate with gay marriages lately, is that a marriage is defined as "a union between a man and a woman"...in other words, if homosexual people unite, they need to give it another name (i read that in the paper recently).

what do you guys all think about that statement?
 
I agree completly let them have a union but it should not be called "marriage". Furthermore I think its selfish of them to demand accross the board acceptance. Homesexuals must recognize their lifestyle is esoteric and a matter of their perspective. I respect that, so realize respect is a two way street.
 
Actually I was thinking that AS might have an adverse affect on creativity, judging from the one track threads we've had recently.

At work the term "marriage" was dropped from all employee manuals .. the term "domestic partnership" is used now.
 
minion said:
I agree completly let them have a union but it should not be called "marriage". Furthermore I think its selfish of them to demand accross the board acceptance. Homesexuals must recognize their lifestyle is esoteric and a matter of their perspective. I respect that, so realize respect is a two way street.
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very well said.

i am not at all homophobic, and i have nothing against them receiving legal benefits for being together...however, the word "marriage" has a definition, and definitions dont change...im sure there is another good word to use...
 
JohnnyO said:
At work the term "marriage" was dropped from all employee manuals .. the term "domestic partnership" is used now.
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which reminds me...the term "retarted" is still the legal term for a mentally challenged person..."third world country" no longer exists...how about "deaf and dumb" ?
 
minion said:
I agree completly let them have a union but it should not be called "marriage". Furthermore I think its selfish of them to demand accross the board acceptance. Homesexuals must recognize their lifestyle is esoteric and a matter of their perspective. I respect that, so realize respect is a two way street.
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Why in the world do you care? Do you think if someone sees a male-male couple and refers to them as "married," someone else is going to assume one of the men is actually a woman?
 
musclebrains said:


Why in the world do you care? Do you think if someone sees a male-male couple and refers to them as "married," someone else is going to assume one of the men is actually a woman?
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That's just silly, unless one of'em is dressed like a lady. Or an extreme example of an effeminate.:rolleyes:

Its funny you say "Why in the world do you care?", because that was my original question to the gay community.
 
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minion said:


That's just silly, unless one of'em is dressed like a lady. Or an extreme example of an effeminate.:rolleyes:

Its funny you say "Why in the world do you care?", because that was my original question to the gay community.
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Personally, I'd rather have my hair set on fire than be "married," and I couldn't care less if it's called slavery or marriage or domestic bondage. But it's quite clear that objections to calling it marriage attempt to impose a basically religious or moral objection on a legal institution.

So why do YOU care?
 
"If you stand for nothing then you fall for everything"

This is why I care, I have an opinion about just about everything. To me apathey should be a crime. And that's the only reason its cool to be gay these days, cuz no one cares really.
 
minion said:
"If you stand for nothing then you fall for everything"

This is why I care, I have an opinion about just about everything. To me apathey should be a crime. And that's the only reason its cool to be gay these days, cuz no one cares really.
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I see. You think it shouldn't be called "marriage"...because you think it shouldn't be called marriage.

And, oh yeah, it's super-kewl to be subjected to legal housing and employment discrimination, to be gay-bashed, to be called a sinner and to generally have second-class citizenship because of whom you choose to love. It's truly no wonder people are jumping on the homo bandwagon.

Are we on the same planet?
 
the term marriage is used in different ways also.

my friends at dictionary.com provided me a definition of the word marriage:
mar·riage

n.

1
a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
b. The state of being married; wedlock.
c. A common-law marriage.
d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
2 A wedding.
3 A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
4 Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.
 
musclebrains said:


I see. You think it shouldn't be called "marriage"...because you think it shouldn't be called marriage.

And, oh yeah, it's super-kewl to be subjected to legal housing and employment discrimination, to be gay-bashed, to be called a sinner and to generally have second-class citizenship because of whom you choose to love. It's truly no wonder people are jumping on the homo bandwagon.

Are we on the same planet?
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Man, are YOU off track. Don't get your panties in a wad sister, relax. My stance is a matter of semantics. The gay community want to change the definition and ultimately dictate their version of morality. It should be seperate by definition. It should be because it is what it is. You can get all twisted if you want to, that's fine by me. Still dosn't change the fact that marriage is for the purpose of union between a man and a woman who ultimately will start a family.

To try and refute me is to refute basic human biology. Have at it.:D
 
minion said:


Man, are YOU off track. Don't get your panties in a wad sister, relax. My stance is a matter of semantics. The gay community want to change the definition and ultimately dictate their version of morality. It should be seperate by definition. It should be because it is what it is. You can get all twisted if you want to, that's fine by me. Still dosn't change the fact that marriage is for the purpose of union between a man and a woman who ultimately will start a family.

To try and refute me is to refute basic human biology. Have at it.:D
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Marriage is a legal institution. Its meaning, its regulation, legally is not the same as it is in religion. That is already true. For example, some religions don't recognized divorce, period. But the law does. You are simply trying to draw a line that regulates marriage according to your personal morality.

And I will return to my question. If it's just semantics as you claim, WHY is it so important? I mean, why not call folks coloreds, cuz, you know, they ARE and that's what we use to call 'em. Shit, is an African-American really an AFrican? I don't think so! It's just semantics, ya know!
 
All couples, be they straight or otherwise, should have a civil union unless they are married by the church first.
 
I dont believe in the official recognizing of gay marriage or whatever you want to call it.

It sends a false signal to our children---Sex is part of a devine plan---Sex is to be between a married man and woman.

Stop and think about the way Sex works---the way that a child is formed---there is a plan behind it.

Homosexuality should not be deemed healthy behavior.

I do not believe in gay bashing and I am not a homophobe--I just dont agree with the lifestyle.

I feel that it is a tendacy that should be faught and overcome---I would be willing to help willing homosexuals beat these tendicies.

I have worked with homosexuals in the past and I tried to be a friend to them--tried to share my beliefes with them and most of them were very open to it b/c we were friends---I wasnt telling them that I hated them---I was trying to tell them that I love them as Christ loves them, but hates their sin.


My Beliefes

HM
 
sin?

when u love the same gender is that the sin? u are made like that?
is that a sin that you are made like that? it is in your genes that you feel something for the same gender.
why gay people are made like that?
is that a sin?

nobody comes and say hey i wanna be a gay, that is not a lifestyle!

it is just in you gayness. you are born like a gay or you are not born like gay.

that is not something u can choose. when u can choose, it would be simple and all gays would choose to be straight cause
it is much easier to go through life like that.

but that is something u can not choose.
my best friend is a gay and he is really straight acting. he told me
he just does not feel anything for girls.
he did not choose to do so, he is born like that!
is that a sin???
 
huntmaster said:

I have worked with homosexuals in the past and I tried to be a friend to them--tried to share my beliefes with them and most of them were very open to it b/c we were friends---I wasnt telling them that I hated them---I was trying to tell them that I love them as Christ loves them, but hates their sin.

HM
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Well, yeah, but Christ was gay.
 
musclebrains said:


The omniscient eyes of god?
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With that last statement about Jesus being gay...I was just waiting for some action...like...folks jumping through the screen to send you to your early death....
 
where's the excitement, folks?

Where's the self-righteous vitriolic hatemongering verbiage?


I shouldn't be encouraging it, sorry.
 
strongchick said:
where's the excitement, folks?

Where's the self-righteous vitriolic hatemongering verbiage?


I shouldn't be encouraging it, sorry.
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MB pretty much covered the hatemongering on this one.
 
musclebrains said:
And, oh yeah, it's super-kewl to be subjected to legal housing and employment discrimination, to be gay-bashed, to be called a sinner and to generally have second-class citizenship because of whom you choose to love. It's truly no wonder people are jumping on the homo bandwagon.
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Interesting choice of words there musclebrains. It kinda throws out your entire argument when YOU say that they choose to love the same sex.

Care to comment further?
 
GinNJuice said:



Interesting choice of words there musclebrains. It kinda throws out your entire argument when YOU say that they choose to love the same sex.

Care to comment further?
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How does it throw out my argument. Loving is always a choice, regardless of your orientation.
 
Perhaps I'm immature, but last spring I know I feel in love with someone, and as much as I didn't want to fall in love, I did -- even knowing this person was going to hurt me and was generally the worst thing for me. There was no choice in that.
 
NYC BOY said:
sin?

when u love the same gender is that the sin? u are made like that?
is that a sin that you are made like that? it is in your genes that you feel something for the same gender.
why gay people are made like that?
is that a sin?

nobody comes and say hey i wanna be a gay, that is not a lifestyle!

it is just in you gayness. you are born like a gay or you are not born like gay.

that is not something u can choose. when u can choose, it would be simple and all gays would choose to be straight cause
it is much easier to go through life like that.

but that is something u can not choose.
my best friend is a gay and he is really straight acting. he told me
he just does not feel anything for girls.
he did not choose to do so, he is born like that!
is that a sin???
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The Bible (the book I try to live by) states that we are all born sinners and each have obsticles to overcome----Experts are still undecided on which is true, if individuals are born gay, or if it is acquired---either way, I still stick to my original post.

Thanks

HM
 
Well, the Bible also tells us to give away all our worldly possessions (Matthew 19:21), desert our families (Matthew 19:29) and help the poor (Luke 12:33). How many of us does that? And enforcing a religious point of view on those how don't want to follow it makes that group no better than the Taliban.
 
Ok lately I have decided I will never get married. Everyone I know tells me 'dont get married you'll pay for it dearly later on' and I am straight.

So my question to someone gay is this.
I have no problem with equal rights, but why the hell would anyone in their right mind want to fight for a right like marriage?

1 out of 2 marriages end in divorce so that tells me that only 1 out of 10 are happy, the rest who atay married are just riding it out for the sake of the children or god or whatever inane reason.

Shit I was 'common law' for a couple years and its all the same shit in the end.

Save the $10000-100000 you will spend on a wedding and do something else with that dough like buy a house or something. You will have to give half of it up after anyways so why waste the money on a marriage ceremony?
 
Frankly I don't know -- I don't want to get married .. I don't even want to have joint checking with anyone now.

I suppose in the past there were tax advantages of being married, now I'm not so sure.

I suppose that carrying health insurance for your spouse was a problem in the past, but now usually both partners work, or the larger companies have a "domestic partnership" plan to put an unemployed partner on your insurance.

Inheritance I guess could be a problem, but nothing a little planning can overcome.

It's an interesting topic, but frankly I could care less one way or the other, as it won't effect me personally at all.
 
I know where you are coming from.

Even though I am not a big fan of political correctness type terms, I do like the idea of just saying "Domestic Partnership" in the workplace.

Hey if you are married or not keep thet shit in your personal life. But for work and benefits purpose they should just term it domestic partnership and give everyone what they have the right to.
 
hehe .. settling down and getting married with a little house and job just doesn't seem to fit the ecstasy popping, glo-stick swinging, Deborah Cox bouncing, buff-body grinding, steriod injecting gay circuit-party boy.
 
JohnnyO said:
hehe .. settling down and getting married with a little house and job just doesn't seem to fit the ecstasy popping, glo-stick swinging, Deborah Cox bouncing, buff-body grinding, steriod injecting gay circuit-party boy.
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Nor does it fit me. I have absolutely no wish to be married. I've done it and don't ever want to do it again, with either gender.

However, many gay people want to marry. What interested me about this thread was the argument that the definition of marriage is inflexibly something between a man and woman. The fact is that the definition can be legally broadened, even if the churches don't wish to accept that. As I said, I don't care if you call it domestic enslavement.

Insofar as the matter of choice, one certainly has a choice whether to follow love. But I think its nitpicking. My point had nothing to do with the question of whether homosexuality is a choice or an orientation. I was making the point that to choose to openly love a member of your own gender is also to invite a set of social stigmas. It hardly feels "cool" to take those on.
 
JohnnyO said:
Well, the Bible also tells us to give away all our worldly possessions (Matthew 19:21), desert our families (Matthew 19:29) and help the poor (Luke 12:33). How many of us does that? And enforcing a religious point of view on those how don't want to follow it makes that group no better than the Taliban.
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Those scriptures are true and valid today---Matthew 19:29 does not instruct folks to 'desert their families'--It speaks of the twelve disciples and is actually a quote of Jesus replying to a question from Peter.

The disciples were called to leave everything and follow Jesus, and they each did so---and Jesus aknowledged that. Thats all.

I do not shove my beliefes upon those who do not want to follow, I simply make them known---You've got me all wrong, but that is not out of the ordinary on a message board, where you cannot here tones of voice and the like.

Please dont assume---It kindof causes the truth to get twisted around into falicy.

thanks

HM
 
I dispute that marriage is legal and not religious.
I personally don't need to get married,
but I have gay friends that chose to have a "holy union" since they couldn't get married.
Their primary reason was not whether the IRS, courts, etc considered them a couple,
Their primary reason was to stand before God in union for a blessing.
and in our church, they got it.
Yes, after that it is important to have the legal recognition.
For example, if a gay person is hospitalized in an accident and needs surgery,
his gay partner of many years can't authorize it;
they have to wait for some "family member" who may have rejected them to authorize it.
 
NYC BOY said:
sin?

when u love the same gender is that the sin? u are made like that?
is that a sin that you are made like that? it is in your genes that you feel something for the same gender.
why gay people are made like that?
is that a sin?

nobody comes and say hey i wanna be a gay, that is not a lifestyle!

it is just in you gayness. you are born like a gay or you are not born like gay.

that is not something u can choose. when u can choose, it would be simple and all gays would choose to be straight cause
it is much easier to go through life like that.

but that is something u can not choose.
my best friend is a gay and he is really straight acting. he told me
he just does not feel anything for girls.
he did not choose to do so, he is born like that!
is that a sin???
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actually yes it is a sin to be gay. why do you think there is a problem with having gay marriages?

if your best friend is gay that would make me to believe you were gay yourself. just a side note.
 
mattcanning99 said:
the big debate with gay marriages lately, is that a marriage is defined as "a union between a man and a woman"...in other words, if homosexual people unite, they need to give it another name (i read that in the paper recently).

what do you guys all think about that statement?
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ummm... it's time to get po;itically correct
the def will be changed
 
MaGilicuti said:


actually yes it is a sin to be gay. why do you think there is a problem with having gay marriages?

if your best friend is gay that would make me to believe you were gay yourself. just a side note.
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Your reasoning is flawed at best, and at worst, it is just plain moronic. How do you jump to the assumption that having a gay best friend makes you gay?
 
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