Gains Slowing Down?

[Huffy43]

I've tried using the search method on the forums and found minimal results on if/when your gains will slow down on a cycle. I'm just curious how true this is? Do you get diminishing returns towards the end of a cycle or will your body stabilize and stop gains completely?

To be more specific, I'm running 13 weeks of Sustanon 250 which I know takes a couple weeks to kick in (4-6). My search has come up with usually around weeks 8-10 your gains will slow greatly or stop. It seems like a very short window when looking at a 13 week cycle to put muscle on.

Appreciate anyone's input.

EDIT: Also, Why?

 

[stevesmi]

gains as in what? the scale going up? your lifts going up?

 

[Huffy43]

gains as in what? the scale going up? your lifts going up?

As in LBM and strength increase

 

[Jbranken]

8-10 weeks is about right for most compounds. I take it to 12 weeks to help that new muscle mature. You can keep making some gains past week 12 with primo, eq, and nandrolone but for the most part, myostatin sets in around 8-10 weeks and will hinder further gains. If you want to make great gains after the fact, add tren in at week 7-8. It's that powerful

 

[Jbranken]

The above tren suggestion is for advanced users though

 

[Zyglamail]

I firmly believe that lack of or halting progress is directly related to nutritional sufficiency.

 

[Huffy43]

The above tren suggestion is for advanced users though

Thanks for the input; will do my own research on what myostatin is.

haha yeah no plans on adding anything else to my cycle, 1. I've spent enough $$ on the pct/cycle/support 2. its my first cycle, want to keep it simple.

 

[stevesmi]

As in LBM and strength increase

well here is the thing bro. if you didn't go 2 steps forward and 1 step back then everyone on here would be 400 pounds at 5% body fat and be able to bench 600 pounds.

the body will do what it needs to do to keep you healthy. its not good to add a lot of strength or size quickly, very bad for the body from top to bottom.. just work your ass off on and off cycle and progress year over year instead of worrying about your lifts and scale going up everyday.

i'm not trying to avoid your question but its not black and white and there is no concrete answer

 

[Jbranken]

I firmly believe that lack of or halting progress is directly related to nutritional sufficiency.

I've read quite a bit about this lately too. Seems to have a lot of merit


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[buddhabuilder]

IMO, it is easy to get into the head of wondering if the gear is going to begin to have less results as a cycle goes on. That is the time to take your training and diet to a whole new level. Change up your routine, start weighing your food for exact nutritional intake, and fight hard for more gains.

 

[broscience]

Let me hit with this BROTIP!!

Out of all the molecules in the human body that directly influence muscle size, myostatin is certainly one of the more powerful ones, based on its potent ability to prevent muscle growth. Myostatin is a member of the transforming growth factor-beta (TGF-beta) super family of growth factors where, despite being a growth factor, it actually reduces muscle growth by initiating several pathways that inhibit muscle hypertrophy while stimulating muscle atrophy.

There are natural ways to combat myostatin.

1)Vitamin D-Vitamin D is a fat-soluble steroid-like vitamin that functions as a prohormone, aiding many different processes such as the absorption and metabolism of calcium and phosphorous— promoting bone health. Vitamin D also has several muscle-promoting properties associated with the ability to boost testosterone levels.

2)EAA-EAAs decrease myostatin levels by stimulating the production of a class of molecules known as micro-RNA that have the ability to strongly decrease the expression level of specific genes. The unique finding in this study was that several micro-RNA molecules were produced in human skeletal muscle following the ingestion of 10 grams of EAAs, which subsequently decreased myostatin expression by approximately 50 percent.

BOOM you just GOT HIT by that BROTIP!

 

[bonacris]

How much vitamin D are we talking. I don't think myostatin has been an issue so far for me as my cycles as mild bit in the future it would be good to know

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[stevesmi]

why would you want to fight myostatin ?

 

[Zyglamail]

Let me hit with this BROTIP!!

Out of all the molecules in the human body that directly influence muscle size, myostatin is certainly one of the more powerful ones, based on its potent ability to prevent muscle growth. Myostatin is a member of the transforming growth factor-beta (TGF-beta) super family of growth factors where, despite being a growth factor, it actually reduces muscle growth by initiating several pathways that inhibit muscle hypertrophy while stimulating muscle atrophy.

There are natural ways to combat myostatin.

1)Vitamin D-Vitamin D is a fat-soluble steroid-like vitamin that functions as a prohormone, aiding many different processes such as the absorption and metabolism of calcium and phosphorous— promoting bone health. Vitamin D also has several muscle-promoting properties associated with the ability to boost testosterone levels.

2)EAA-EAAs decrease myostatin levels by stimulating the production of a class of molecules known as micro-RNA that have the ability to strongly decrease the expression level of specific genes. The unique finding in this study was that several micro-RNA molecules were produced in human skeletal muscle following the ingestion of 10 grams of EAAs, which subsequently decreased myostatin expression by approximately 50 percent.

BOOM you just GOT HIT by that BROTIP!

This comes right back to nutritional sufficiency that I mentioned above however I will add that its generally not as simple as just adding a single element.

Using vit D as an example to prove my point, google around a bit and look at various Vit D studies you will quickly see that there seems to be an overlap in whats considered toxic and whats considered safe upper limit. How can one study say that X mg is toxic yet another say that more than the previous study is just fine?

The reason is nutrients dont work in a vacuum!

I believe vit D is a good thing but without the added complimentary nutrients it can cause problems. Vit D intake will increase magnesium use so if someone is borderline mag deficient (which an estimated 50% of people are) consuming D can cause magnesium deficiency issues. Next, vit A and vit K are essential co-nutrients that allow D to do its job. Ideally you want about a 5:1 ratio of A to D and a pretty healthy dose of vit K on top of it. Doses of Vit D that have proven to be toxic are not when ample vit A and K are in the mix.

People here are too worried about the next cool drug, peptide or serm to build muscle and continually ignore the very basics of life which is the nutrient makeup of the foods we eat.

Day in and day out on these forums we see people popping pills taking AAS and wondering why they cant lose fat, gain muscle, have stomach issues, chronic injuries that dont heal and the list goes on. If people spent half as much time learning about building a solid nutrient sufficient body they wouldnt have most of the issue they have, weight would melt off and mass would come so much easier when employing simple, moderate cycles.

 

[broscience]

Preach it bro~!

 

[matter2003]

Research done on anavar show almost all benefits are gotten in weeks 1-6 and not much after that in terms of LBM gained..at least from the studies I've seen on it

 

[RickRock13]

Gains are going to stall out on a cycle, and there is not much you can do about it. There are a lot of great points made in this thread about myostatin and providing our bodies with what it needs to encourage growth...and both have a lot of merit. It's all just part of the game, and constant progression is just simply not achievable. There will be bumps in the road, progress will stall, but you will just have to look at the picture as a whole.

Imagine a bar graph. The dream is that there is a line that constantly rises over time up to a peak at the end. The reality is that the line has ups and downs but is higher at the end than where you started. Short of being one of the genetic elite like pro BBers with amazing growth potential and/or myostatin deficiencies, you will be like the other 99.99% of us that are along for a roller coaster ride to achieve our goals

 

[Zinergy]

A lot of guys used to pyramid doses on cycle and I do it too because it works.

Are there any actual myostatin level tests done or is this another bro science theory?