Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I would like to say that I my self have tryed many of things, so I'm not trying to preach but I do wish that if..... and when you do decide to mess with something that you UNERSTAND and can come to an understanding of what it can do to you.... I have just cought word of yet another one of my friends passing of this substance..... I personaly have had 3 close friends and know 4 aquaintances that have died on ( G ) gbl or Lactone sells as pool and other such cleaning supplies at certain locations..... the lactone is placed into a steel pot with dist.water..... you than place sodiom hydrox in as well with each having it's own measurements. as the (salt) disolves into the water it starts to bubble and the heat get up to about 315 degrees. this is all done eaither out side or in ones home not in a (bath tub but yet it's still not sanitary....) once it cools than you get the actual liquid once you do that you take ph sticks to measure the ph it should be betweeen 6-7 1/2 than it's good. out the door it goes....... now that was the easy version on how it's made. see the thing is you never know how it is made. I personaly have known people to use paint thinner in the mixture because of lack of lactone or just as a substitute........ people also forget to check the ph and if that is off that is deadly as well...... I hope that if you use it that you will be safe and when you do get it be sure to check the PH on it... you can buy these at albertsons or your local pool supply store..... place the stick in your g and it should be red and around 6-7 if it is higher blueish purple... toooo high and should not be taken.... if this is the case a trick to lower it is dist. viniger or lime juice any citric acid will do to lower the ph..... if you have ever gotten (G) that smelled like viniger this is why. also research has show that now there is more studys of (G) that there are alot of cases where the lye or lactone does not disolve in your stomach and will over time EAT the inner wall of your stomach. also scientist DO NOT know how GBL is processed in your body to GHB understand that its GBL untill it's in your body and the chemical change is to GHB......... NOTE..... it is Illigal except in Japan and another country.... no matter what anyone says.... you can have the products in it's own form but once it's put togeather than it is a class 2A drug..... the only G that is legal is pharm. grade G that is used for (narcalepsy) such as G-13weed for glauchoma. I urge you not to use this and if you do there is a new product called solar water ( BLUE NITRO ) (1/4) that you can use for your self. I'm not here to preach or to prove I know anything but I do hope that if this helps someone out there with more info than so be it. I only wish I knew this info back than.......... if you have anything to add please do so..... alot more or you prob. know more. I put this up because I appreciate this site for all the schooling it has given me and the new friends I've made..... In mem. of my boy Brian........( OD on G fell asleep and never awoke ) No mixture of anything else. thank you
(g)gbl=ghb=death
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I am very sorry to hear of your loss. I have posted a number of messages about the dangers of GHB and yet, I still hear people's bullshit about how safe it is.
I used it for 6 years! I sold it for 3 years BEFORE it became illegal. I would make 15 gallons a night sometimes! I am a biochemist and I had all of the equipment to make it. (plus access to the chems.) Heck I use to filter the stuff through a 0.2 micron filter which is the same pore size that you guys use to make sterile water!
I loved the stuff! Many people did. I told eveyone the same shit that everyone reads on the NET. EVERYONE READS THE SAME BULLSHIT INFO! and thinks that they are experts on the stuff.
GBL is worse than GHB. Everyone thinks that it is safe because "your body makes GHB from the GBL". True...it does. But it also does something else to your body that is fucked up. I say that because the W/D from GBL are far worse than GHB.
Your right....the way that people make the stuff is totally different. People think that because someone else uses Red Devil Lye that it's ok to use???? Lactone can people REALLY impure! Does Lead and Mercury mean anything to anyone?
I think that stuff is bad news......My point is this....don't believe all the hype or everything that you read on the net. Most people are just repeating what they read and it is the same shit over and over again.
I used it for 6 years! I sold it for 3 years BEFORE it became illegal. I would make 15 gallons a night sometimes! I am a biochemist and I had all of the equipment to make it. (plus access to the chems.) Heck I use to filter the stuff through a 0.2 micron filter which is the same pore size that you guys use to make sterile water!
I loved the stuff! Many people did. I told eveyone the same shit that everyone reads on the NET. EVERYONE READS THE SAME BULLSHIT INFO! and thinks that they are experts on the stuff.
GBL is worse than GHB. Everyone thinks that it is safe because "your body makes GHB from the GBL". True...it does. But it also does something else to your body that is fucked up. I say that because the W/D from GBL are far worse than GHB.
Your right....the way that people make the stuff is totally different. People think that because someone else uses Red Devil Lye that it's ok to use???? Lactone can people REALLY impure! Does Lead and Mercury mean anything to anyone?
I think that stuff is bad news......My point is this....don't believe all the hype or everything that you read on the net. Most people are just repeating what they read and it is the same shit over and over again.
Lord_Suston
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Good info,
Most of the GBL that is made by home-made kits is definetley not human compatible, but before GBL was illegal there were companies that would tell you the process of how they made it and what chemicals, since they didn't care if you knew or not since the majority of people don't have access to those types of chemicals. The problem as you guys metion earlier is the batches now that are being made are really contaminated. Some are still pretty decent, I could name a few companies, but on the whole people who make the shit at home are using everything they should. I know since me and my roomate took and are taking biochem and organic
Most of the GBL that is made by home-made kits is definetley not human compatible, but before GBL was illegal there were companies that would tell you the process of how they made it and what chemicals, since they didn't care if you knew or not since the majority of people don't have access to those types of chemicals. The problem as you guys metion earlier is the batches now that are being made are really contaminated. Some are still pretty decent, I could name a few companies, but on the whole people who make the shit at home are using everything they should. I know since me and my roomate took and are taking biochem and organic
TraxZBT
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Grainger said:
i've also heard that GBL does something else. What i read is that GBL goes through several reactions to turn to GHB. Rather than just taking straight GHB, the body actually has to turn it into it. This is what causes the greater withdrawl. GBL is closer to actual GHB than NaGHB or KGHB. In a sense, you get a purer product (this saying that you get almost pure 99.99% grade. with no contaminents). It's also been noted that not all the GBL gets turned to GHB. Some GBL circulates in your bloodstream giving off effects of it's own. Overall, GBL has not been noted to cause any stress on the liver or kidney, but i guess only time will tell.
I don't see how people think gbl or g is safe. I believe alot of substances can be used in moderation, but this shit no-way...My boy use to make this shit all the time(G)and he used an industrial solvent which is USED TO STRIP FLOORS AND DEGREASE ENGINES AND F!@#ING LYE...-1,4 - G all this shit is "chemical cousins" and some people aren't smart enough to test w/ph strips and can scald their throat from the lye.Most well known "G dealers" sell to recreational users as well which is all bad in the end...
Lord_Suston
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In response to Pka I think the equation goes GBL= butanediol then turn to Butanaldehyde then forms into GHB ther maybe another step involves, like the esterfication of butanealdehyde then the addition of the Gamma component but I have not studied it yet. It is slightly toxic to your liver since it is a double alcohol molecule. But not too bad comparible to about 2 shots of liquor
rebeljuice
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man you certainly should stay away from drugs...or need some.
your all over the place.
are you talking about GHB, GBL, paintthinner, draincleaner
or what the fuck r you talking about?
First find out what your dead body consumed before making an ass out of yourself.
Second in order to have no unreacted ingredients proper
ammounts are used and extensive boiling is applied to evaporate
unreacted lactone.GHB does not eat out nobodys stomack or
Xyrem would not be FDA approved.
blah blah
your all over the place.
are you talking about GHB, GBL, paintthinner, draincleaner
or what the fuck r you talking about?
First find out what your dead body consumed before making an ass out of yourself.
Second in order to have no unreacted ingredients proper
ammounts are used and extensive boiling is applied to evaporate
unreacted lactone.GHB does not eat out nobodys stomack or
Xyrem would not be FDA approved.
blah blah
Just be frickin careful -- sorry about your loss
JibbyJabba
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Excellent POST!
Great Post...you're speaking the truth. Those who flame you for it are only trying to justify their own abuse of a drug. Back in the day, when I did G, I loved it - it was awesome. But anyone who thinks this stuff isn't poison has gotten a hold of the wrong information...
Great Post...you're speaking the truth. Those who flame you for it are only trying to justify their own abuse of a drug. Back in the day, when I did G, I loved it - it was awesome. But anyone who thinks this stuff isn't poison has gotten a hold of the wrong information...
drrman
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People, G is dangerous, but its also beneficial for some. The key is knowing and trusting who you are getting it from. And grainger, you don't have to be a freeking biochemist to make this stuff, you don't even have to buy hardly any lab equipment. A scale, graduated cylinder and a beaker is all you need, along with PH strips. This shit is no exact science. And as for people making it will all this other shit, i dont' see how, you have to have an acid to react with the base. If the person isn't using GBL, then you don't have GHB its that simple. and 1,4 WILL NOT make GHB using NaOH, you Must have 99.99% pure GBL and you can easily make a very good and clean GHB substance. Just because some people OD'd on the shit don't mean it was a sterility problem. Its pretty easy to make clean G, wash your beaker wear gloves, and don't let shit fall in the G.
anyone know about this "g". i bought it when it was legal to buy at health stores.. it is called INVIGORATE., its the bright yellow color, or in a club it appears bright green... is this stuff ok to use? i use it carefully and to get alittle buz then i stop. any opinions on this stuff?
WRONG
you are thinking of 1,4 whichis different, gbl converts directly to ghb with no intermediates! For a reference go to ceri.com and follow the headers. gbl is not an alcohol and does not get metabolized by the liver. Let's stick to facts here, shall we. Not all ghb users are abusers! Sheesh! The problem is all the losers who use it for recreational purposes and are ignorant or unconcerned about the side effects. BTW, how can you blame a substance for someones idiocy in buying an impure product or trying to make it in the bathtub without the knowledge or the appropriate materials/technique?
you are thinking of 1,4 whichis different, gbl converts directly to ghb with no intermediates! For a reference go to ceri.com and follow the headers. gbl is not an alcohol and does not get metabolized by the liver. Let's stick to facts here, shall we. Not all ghb users are abusers! Sheesh! The problem is all the losers who use it for recreational purposes and are ignorant or unconcerned about the side effects. BTW, how can you blame a substance for someones idiocy in buying an impure product or trying to make it in the bathtub without the knowledge or the appropriate materials/technique?
Lord_Suston said:
FreakMonster
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Stupid people have no business taking GHB or even trying to make it.
GBL is very bad news. I showed a friend how bad that shit is by putting some on his wooden desk and it started eating into the wood. Not something I wanna be putting in my body.
GBL is very bad news. I showed a friend how bad that shit is by putting some on his wooden desk and it started eating into the wood. Not something I wanna be putting in my body.
TraxZBT
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FreakMonster said:
GBL doesn't do that to your stomach lining.. it only has that reaction with certain plastics and coating. So, unless your made of plastic... i wouldn't worry!
GBL is however a mucous irritant IF taken straight.... but i don't know whose moronic enough to do that.
It is funny however getting some on your keyboard and watching it melt half the board by the time you get a tissue. Makes it really appealing to drink.
Busterball
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I hate these threads......
I use GHB everyday.
1 gram everynight before bed.
On the weekends I use it for fun, 3-5 grams.
I have been using it for a couple of years now.
Great sleep everynight!
Don't bash if u don't use!!!!
I use GHB everyday.
1 gram everynight before bed.
On the weekends I use it for fun, 3-5 grams.
I have been using it for a couple of years now.
Great sleep everynight!
Don't bash if u don't use!!!!
Lord_Suston
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You are right I was thinking of 1,4 Butanediol, and its conversion factor. and yes I still think before you try something you should know whethter some made in their bathtub or a company made.
For example Would you buy juice from a friend who made it at home or a estabished company? jboldman this is not a flame, so don't take it that way but if you want to ghb or its derivitaves then you should be willing to put in a little extra time to find out where it was made....
For example Would you buy juice from a friend who made it at home or a estabished company? jboldman this is not a flame, so don't take it that way but if you want to ghb or its derivitaves then you should be willing to put in a little extra time to find out where it was made....
macrophage69alpha
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???
for those that have had friends die from GHB/GBL/1,4 (supposedly)
have you actually seen the toxicology.. or is that just what someone told you?
for those that have had friends die from GHB/GBL/1,4 (supposedly)
have you actually seen the toxicology.. or is that just what someone told you?
macrophage69alpha
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TraxZBT said:
agree, that is why the question.. though the 3% figure is VERY high IMHO...
SwitchedOn
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Using drugs should involve- =research=knowledge=RESPONSIBILITY!!!
Last fall was the first time I tried G (finally) after reading about it for months on end. I don't see how anyone can become addicted to it (my opinion) if you use it RESPONSIBILITY. But this post isn't about the right dose or dosage schedule. It seems to me it's about the quality of G you receive and exactly how it's made. I trust my source and know from past experience he is reliable. Anyhoo it's all about being responsible and I'm so damn sick of people saying 'he took this or that and since it killed him it should be illegal'.
I'm truely sorry for your loss bro. I can say to those who are thinking about trying it to TRUST THEIR SOURCE. Know who is making a compound you intent to swallow and rely on them to give you a decent product. I personally like G and using it responsibly should create no problems. Just my .02.
Last fall was the first time I tried G (finally) after reading about it for months on end. I don't see how anyone can become addicted to it (my opinion) if you use it RESPONSIBILITY. But this post isn't about the right dose or dosage schedule. It seems to me it's about the quality of G you receive and exactly how it's made. I trust my source and know from past experience he is reliable. Anyhoo it's all about being responsible and I'm so damn sick of people saying 'he took this or that and since it killed him it should be illegal'.
I'm truely sorry for your loss bro. I can say to those who are thinking about trying it to TRUST THEIR SOURCE. Know who is making a compound you intent to swallow and rely on them to give you a decent product. I personally like G and using it responsibly should create no problems. Just my .02.
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