G DUB asks for trouble

[madbomber31]

its one thing to keep it quiet that you plan on booting sadaam out of power.. .and you will use military force in korea if things keep going...

but its another to come out and bark like a gigantic dog at a crazy neighbor... sooner or later someone is gonna test you and its gonna cost some lives... that guy is the safest person in the world but our military people are gonna end up as fair game... bullshit!!! what is the point of saying all this stuff? keep it quiet and if it comes to it then send the guys in... dont ask for more trouble...

hell, i wouldnt be surprised of north korea was thinking of inviting some islamic militants to vacation there for a while.

 

[Sushi X]

that's the problem with any president. they sometimes forget that they don't have to go into harms way to get things done while our military do. clinton did it with somolia and bush wants to do it with north korea. i'd hold off on north korea, they do have a million man army and nukes at their fingertips.

 

[danielson]

the political damage done by the axis of eveil speech might be smoothed over in korea, so hopefully that wont require military action

but iran and iraq are the danger zones, if he attacks iraq, a lot of people will move to iran, whih wont please them much

my main worry is that saddam may launch scuds at israel.....tipped with lord knows what....he;d kill thousands of innocents

and Sharon wont stand for it....which is more than fair if it did happen, but his response might be equally as devastating if he used nukes

 

[the nature boy]

the political damage done by the axis of eveil speech might be smoothed over in korea, so hopefully that wont require military action

but iran and iraq are the danger zones, if he attacks iraq, a lot of people will move to iran, whih wont please them much

my main worry is that saddam may launch scuds at israel.....tipped with lord knows what....he;d kill thousands of innocents

and Sharon wont stand for it....which is more than fair if it did happen, but his response might be equally as devastating if he used nukes

that's why most likely they'll take out Saddam from the inside. It's much cleaner that way and there will be less loss of US lives.

 

[danielson]

that's why most likely they'll take out Saddam from the inside. It's much cleaner that way and there will be less loss of US lives.

hopefully opposition forces will be able to seize power....we'd have to arm all the shi-ites and them dudes living in the south, maybe we can give em all the guns we confiscated off the kosovans

 

[gymnpoppa]

that's why most likely they'll take out Saddam from the inside. It's much cleaner that way and there will be less loss of US lives.

I agree that's the way to do it, but it will be impossible or damn near. As mentioned, in the attempt to settle unfinished work, many people may die. In my opinion, not justifiable. NEVER

 

[gymnpoppa]

Whazzup Nature Boy, danielson? Long time no chat huh?

I cant even be on long this time....work is calling....just wanted to drop in for a sec.

 

[manny78]

and Sharon wont stand for it....which is more than fair if it did happen, but his response might be equally as devastating if he used nukes

and thats what Saddam wants. To get Isreal involved so this way other arab countries would go on side and fight their eternal enemy. The US would be better to live him alone. As for Korea, I dont see any relation between this country and Al-Quaeda

 

[gymnpoppa]

and thats what Saddam wants. To get Isreal involved so this way other arab countries would go on side and fight their eternal enemy. The US would be better to live him alone. As for Korea, I dont see any relation between this country and Al-Quaeda

I agree. We cannot fight terrorism, N Korea, Iran, and Iraq.

Nor will we have support for all of that. None of the military (ex-commanders) support a war against Iraq. Without allied suppport. Americans will support the efforts until bodybags of US servicemen start piling up. I would think that if we attack Saddam, he'll unleash whatever shit he's been building against whoever. We'll kill him, but he'll try to take whoever with him. And if any Muslim country suffers because of his weaponry, they will blame us.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

and thats what Saddam wants. To get Isreal involved so this way other arab countries would go on side and fight their eternal enemy. The US would be better to live him alone. As for Korea, I dont see any relation between this country and Al-Quaeda

None of us really know what teh administration's aims are.

Here is the thing:

1. Our technology has improved so much in 10 years that acting unilaterally is *militarily* better than acting in concert with other nations. What do they offer us, in terms of firepower?

2. There is absolutely NO threat of an oil embargo.

3. No Muslim or Arab country is a formidable fighting force. What campaigns haev they waged in the recent past to indicate otherwise? How many times have the Israeli's demolished Arabs from different nations?

4. Arab unity? Please. In 1990, at the start of Desert Storm, Iraq moved much of their Air Force to Iran. Iraq figured the Iranians would accommodate them, because the US was the "Great Satan" was attacking Iraq. WRONG. When the war was over, Iran *kept* the planes.

Sunni and Shiite Muslims hate each other. If they won't unite against the US, they won't against Israel either.

Arab rulers are corrupt pigs who ignore their own people while amassing enormous wealth. Iran is no better. It looks like the US is sending a message to Saddam and Khameini, and that if they don't unfuck themselves, the shit;s gonna hit the fan.

 

[the nature boy]

ok then, since you seem to know everything. Where to we invade Iraq from? The Saudi's won't let us invade from there I bet. Hell they want our bases out of there anyway.

Assuming we find some way to invade Iraq, what then? Set up some puppet regime like we have in the past? Name one puppet regime that has worked that we've set up?

The real question that nobody can seem to answer here or in Dubya's esteemed cabinet, is "what is the long term strategy?" To go in there and bomb the shit out of stuff seems like an easy solution, but what then? Leave? So we can come back again, a la afghanastan? Are we going to nation build? Didnt' Dubya say when he was campaigning that he was not going to nation build? Oh wait he's doing that now.

 

[manny78]

One thing I noticed: I'm surprised G W Bush did not take the opportunity to include Cuba in the shopping bag

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

ok then, since you seem to know everything. Where to we invade Iraq from? The Saudi's won't let us invade from there I bet. Hell they want our bases out of there anyway.

Assuming we find some way to invade Iraq, what then? Set up some puppet regime like we have in the past? Name one puppet regime that has worked that we've set up?

The real question that nobody can seem to answer here or in Dubya's esteemed cabinet, is "what is the long term strategy?" To go in there and bomb the shit out of stuff seems like an easy solution, but what then? Leave? So we can come back again, a la afghanastan? Are we going to nation build? Didnt' Dubya say when he was campaigning that he was not going to nation build? Oh wait he's doing that now.

Iraq can be invaded from Saudi if we push it. We also can use Turkey as a base. Did you know Turkey has relations with Israel?

Then what in Iraq? I don't know. Maybe occupy a while. Maybe go directly into Iran. Maybe learn from past mistakes and set up something credible.

Long term startegy? Rebuild with an eye on democracy? Mybe Bush wants to rid the world of mikitant Islam. Now you;re asking me to sdpeculate, which is, after all, just a guess.

 

[manny78]

Matt:

dont you think the real problem is Saudi Arabia ?

 

[Test boy]

All you doves make me ill.

It is quite clear that we should simply take the Middle East.

 

[the nature boy]

All you doves make me ill.

It is quite clear that we should simply take the Middle East.

damn did they cut a piece of your brain off when they make your dick smaller?

You don't just go in and take the middle east? Do you know what kind of undertaking that is? Do you know how much money and manpower that takes? The economy is already in the toilet, that's just what we need. Congress would never allow such a move anyway.

Your lack of common sense makes me ill. So now we're both sick.

 

[the nature boy]

Iraq can be invaded from Saudi if we push it. We also can use Turkey as a base. Did you know Turkey has relations with Israel?

Then what in Iraq? I don't know. Maybe occupy a while. Maybe go directly into Iran. Maybe learn from past mistakes and set up something credible.

Long term startegy? Rebuild with an eye on democracy? Mybe Bush wants to rid the world of mikitant Islam. Now you;re asking me to sdpeculate, which is, after all, just a guess.

That sounds a little far fetched to me. I'm thinking that the whole weapons inspection thing is going to happen. Saddam will dick around like he's done in the past, and then the CIA will turn the screws on any resistance movements in Iraq. Look for him to get assassinated. As I said before, I don't think the Saudi's will let us use them as a staging area. They already dissaprove of us removing Saddam anyway. The royal family has to deal with a lot of anti-US sentiment as it is, there will be much more if Saudi is a staging area, possibly a revolution.

Turkey is the only way. But we have to get approval from Russia. If not, that will make Putin look real bad to the russian people. That will, in my estimation, lead the russians to sell their nuclear weapons and scientists to the wrong people.