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decem

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god damn it.. this is bullshit..

i'm having the same bullshit i was having before..

except this time i'm thinking it's not anxiety and it's actually a shitty fucking feeling brought on by high blood pressure induced by 17aa steroids..

again.. tightness in chest, shortness of breath, hot flashes, and just feeling plain old shitty..

it's my 7th day on winny now... last time it kicked in on my 10th day of dbol.. or maybe my 12th or 13th.. i forget..

anyway.. this fucking sucks.

i had the old lady check my blood pressure today.. before i was even feeling too awful shitty.. and it was 150/100..

am i just fucked as far as never being able to take 17aa steroids?

anyone know how to get bp down.. i think i asked that before but forgot.. oh yeah, without prescription meds.. some otc shit or something?

how long til the winny is out of my system? last time it took 3 days after stopping the dbol for symptoms to get better..
 
winny seems to leave me pretty quick. atleast the joint pains subside within 48hrs of ceasing to use it. sorry to hear it decem, winny is great shit. lemme know if you need help disposing of it :)
 
Decem get the Doc to give you a prescription of corgard..it will lower the bp.....RADAR
 
dude...i thought you learned? I thought you stopped?

Nothing over the counter will reduce your BP. The only thing that might indirectly lower your BP is benadryl or some other relaxant. If you are nervous or anxious (i think you are) then calming down will help your BP. And dont hold your urine...piss like a racehorse if you can. Urinary retention will increase BP.

One of the things my attending doctor told me about bodybuilders who use AAS is that they only listen to what they want to hear. When they hear it they run with it. But anything else just goes in and out. I see why he gets so frustrated.
I wont though....at least not yet.

T
 
Decem.....

I was in the exact same boat 2 weeks ago with the dbol. I felt like my heart was about to stop and I would just sit there and perspire like a mad man. People would always be like what the hell is wrong with you. As I am sure that you know, stopping the 17aa made it go away. Bro, it aint worth it. just fucking stop the winny and take something else. I would hate to see an upstanding bro like yourself get hurt. Keep us posted.
 
Yeah, try some abombs. That should help. :)

Hey, anything else, I'm here for ya buddy. Oh, you could stack some halos with the abombs, that would be good, too. :o

Seriously, I think I would have to limit my orals, like decreasing the dosage, or dropping them altogether.
 
TxLonghorn said:
you could stack some halos with the abombs, that would be good, too
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thanks tx... i don't want to take the abombs cause it might cause too much water retention.. but i'll give the halo a shot and let you know how it works out..
 
spentgn... i'll let you know..


radar... do you take that all the time or just when you're on a cycle??


doctodd... i did stop...... the dbol that is. but seriously, after 4 or 5 days off the dbol i felt cool... no problems at all.. so i said "fuck it might as well try the winny" damn it. i wish you were still online.. i have some flexeril laying around and was wondering if it'd be cool to take.. it should be right?? and i swear doc.. i mean i may be a little stubborn about doing the right thing or getting seen when it comes to cuts, bruises, stitches, broken bones, colds, etc. etc.. but not with this shit.. honestly.. as soon as this shit starts then i'm like "i'm done".. but then it goes away and i thought everything's cool..


bobber.... thanks alot man.. that's exactly the feeling.. now i'll be on muscle relaxers for the next two days..
 
ok... so what are the signs and symptoms of high blood pressure??

are these the symptoms??

how high does my b/p have to get before it's dangerous?

what should i avoid while going through this? should i not even work out?

how severe should i let my symptoms get before i go to the e.r.?? the last time this shit happened i almost went.. actually my girlfriend was threatening to take me cause i was pale as fuck and gasping for breath.. but i didn't want to spend the damn money as my insurance aint that great.. but i think i'll go this time.. but how do i know when?? should i wait until my heart rate reaches a certain point?
 
Hello again Decem my Bp was 180/140 my Doc put me on Corgard of course the symptoms were prespireing,racing heart beat,breathing funny, sometimes if felt freaky and like i had tunnel vision....but everyones different...the doc said that it would go away if i kept working out ,this was 5 yrs ago and havn't had it since!! hope this helps!! RADAR
 
decem what is your b/p averaging out at and what is your age....i have high bp and take hyzaar for it
 
decem,

haven't been following your cycle bro,but have you included cardio into your program???perhaps some moderate cardio 3-4 times week,would eleviate the high BP...?just a thought...if it's not too much trouble,what are you on right now...???i felt the same way w/ winny,but stuck it out and increased my rest and moderate cardio and symptoms as you have described subsided...hope this helps bro...GOOD LUCK and stay healthy...
 
thanks radar... but do you still take the meds then?? did you just have it during that one cycle?? did he restrict your activity at all??

MOD... it's been at 160/102 to 150/100 since i started this cycle..


thanks thinker... no, i haven't been doing any cardio.. i haven't since i got out of the military.. and i still kept my b.f. at 5% for 6 months naturally without it.. unfortunately i'm above 5%.. way above.. but i also feel that cardio does hinder size gains as well..

i'm on 500mg test, 300 - 450mg deca, dbol the first two weeks but it gave me the same trouble.. and then winny at 50mg week 3 and 100mg week 4... i'm up 20lbs, 0% bf, arms gained an inch already, legs.. hold on.. let me look, SONUVA!! i can't find my damn progress book.. but i think my legs are up about 1.5"
 
Hey bro,
Take a look here:
http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/hbp.html

*****The below chart is from the above link..
Blood pressure
(mm Hg) Optimal Normal High normal Hypertension
Systolic
(top number) > 120 >130 130-139 <140
Diastolic
(bottom number) >80 >85 85-89 <90


With what you posted 150/100 this is way to high!!! Drop the 17a's and either wait and check the BP again in a week or two and then see a doctor if it has'nt lowered or see a doctor immediately....
 
bro get OFF the fucking juice and go to the doctor and get some tests done..this is nothing to be messing around with...you have numbers of a man 65 years old smoking 3 pac of cigs a day ....
 
i guess i was just thinking that this is a normal part of cycling.. that your bp gets jacked up while on a cycle but goes back after you're off...

i mean i understand completely that this b.p. is too high and that it's got to go down.. but i was wondering just how long someone has to have high b.p. before any damage is done??

i'll call the doc tomorrow and see if i can get on a med for the rest of this cycle.. or see if that will help or not.. definitely drop the 17aa's.. or i might just cut the cycle short altogether..
 
M.O.D said:
bro get OFF the fucking juice and go to the doctor and get some tests done..this is nothing to be messing around with...you have numbers of a man 65 years old smoking 3 pac of cigs a day ....
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I have to agree... If it were me the choice I would make would be to see a Dr, but you have to make your own decision? Bro, take care of yourself!!!
 
decem said:


i'll call the doc tomorrow and see if i can get on a med for the rest of this cycle.. or see if that will help or not.
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i was hoping you wouldnt be thinking like this...i wish you well
 
decem said:
i guess i was just thinking that this is a normal part of cycling.. that your bp gets jacked up while on a cycle but goes back after you're off...

i mean i understand completely that this b.p. is too high and that it's got to go down.. but i was wondering just how long someone has to have high b.p. before any damage is done??

i'll call the doc tomorrow and see if i can get on a med for the rest of this cycle.. or see if that will help or not.. definitely drop the 17aa's.. or i might just cut the cycle short altogether..
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noone knows that answer. Everyone is different. Why take the chance? It sounds like you have anxiety bro......caused by the AAS maybe. The high BP is still your main problem. Do you want a stroke? Kids who do cocaine at 25 y/o can have strokes and heart attacks. I have seen it in the ER first hand. Dont think your age makes you immune....it doesnt.

T
 
My last cycle, my B/P was around 160/90, something like that. I was on D-bol and Sust. I haven't had it checked since. I am currently on Test/EQ. I probably should go and see a doc this time around though....
 
I agree with Dr Todd Bp is nothing to mess with,and Decem i wasn't on gear the first time my bp was High...a stroke will mess you up for life-if you live thru it!!!! RADAR
 
Start following a strictly low sodium diet. It will make your BP drop considerably within a week or two.
 
hey...i have the perfect solution....stop the gear. It will lower your BP, help your anxiety, and save your liver. You have taken too much gear as it is. I know why you keep taking the AAS but you have to make the decision yourself to stop.


T
 
Do to the DR.
See if he will proscribe Clonidine "sp?" "used for high B/P" it's cheap and also will help you sleep if you take it a night
 
I'm 25 too. My BP was around 150/100 last time I was on. I felt good though... Mild diuretic like Dyazide helps a lot with BP. My friend felt like shit because of high BP (while on juice) and dyazide made a trick for him.
 
Decem just up your food intake and add a little low intensity cardio. I used to get the symptoms that you have but I have been doing cardio again 5 days a week and it is working wonders (Im on 100mgs winny/day BTW). If you're scared of loosing muscle just do it at any time during the day, not just first thing in the morning.

Also have you ever looked into things like meditation. My Mom is qualified in meditation and hypnosis and it works wonders to calm me down. Apparently a lot of the old timers like Zane used meditation to relax and recover.
 
Well he's not answering that can only mean 2 things he has gotten his lard ass up and gone to the Dr...or he kicked the bucket!!!! RADAR
 
I wouldnt be taking aspirin if my blood pressure was high like in his case. Worst case scenario he busts a blood vessel in his brain and bleeds like a stuck pig.....game over. Aspirin is good for people who have chronic high BP cuz their vessels slowly get smaller and tighter in response to the high BP. Arteries have tiny muscle in between the walls and the muscle reacts similar to your chest or bicpeps when you work out....it gets bigger. This thereby slowly closes them. In this case you do want blood to be as thin as possible to be able to pass through those narrow pipes.


Clonidine has a hard rebound effect if you take too much or arent used to it. It is good before going to bed for that very reason. But it is strong shit....i wouldnt take it. Instead of telling him to keep adding stuff to his little drug cocktail, why dont you tell him to stop taking what his main problem already is.

T
 
decem said:
god damn it.. this is bullshit..

i'm having the same bullshit i was having before..

except this time i'm thinking it's not anxiety and it's actually a shitty fucking feeling brought on by high blood pressure induced by 17aa steroids..

again.. tightness in chest, shortness of breath, hot flashes, and just feeling plain old shitty..

it's my 7th day on winny now... last time it kicked in on my 10th day of dbol.. or maybe my 12th or 13th.. i forget..

anyway.. this fucking sucks.

i had the old lady check my blood pressure today.. before i was even feeling too awful shitty.. and it was 150/100..

am i just fucked as far as never being able to take 17aa steroids?

anyone know how to get bp down.. i think i asked that before but forgot.. oh yeah, without prescription meds.. some otc shit or something?

how long til the winny is out of my system? last time it took 3 days after stopping the dbol for symptoms to get better..
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The best I know is Catapress I think it's called. Back when Gear was semi-legal....my Dr. gave me BP meds but not to bring down my BP....it has a side effect......causes the body to excrete more GH.....yup......that's right.....Dr recommended by a Guru of Gear. It is just a patch that you put on your delt. Don't know why I never posted that before.....I forgot all about it.
I hope all goes well for you friend
Take Care of Yourself.
 
Research shows that anavar is the one anabolic steroid least likely to cause any side effects . there are very rarely reports of ill effects of any kind using anavar . there is seldom any fluid gains with this drug, which makes it the drug of choice with potential blood pressure problem uses .
 
catapress and clonidine are the same thing. Yes it comes in a patch, but it wipes you out all day until you get used to it. Then when you take it off the rebound kicks in and your BP goes up, sometimes higher. Dont use the patch unless you really have to for a long time, such as if you had chronic high BP, which you dont. Your problem is temporary and probably caused by the AAS since you said you were fine when you were off of the gear.


Anavar is my gear of choice if i had to decide. Good stuff, few sides, expensive, prescribed and used on patients in the USA so quality should be good.

T
 
i have some advise,
go to the doc, ask for atenolol, you'll be a new person in a matter of hours!!! i promise. e-mail me.
 
hey guys....

thanks for all your concern..

even if you did have to call me a lard ass (RADAR) to get me to go.... i went to the doc..

my b.p. has dropped a little the past two days as the winny is leaving... 3 days ago it was 150/100, today it was 146/90, and this evening it was 138/88....

i'm still stopping though.. i'm making a new thread for that...

but in short..

i only worked out for a month prior to starting this cycle.. gained 23 lbs in 27 days.. that put enough of a strain on my system and my body was not yet capable or in good enough shape to handle the load.. so my shit spiked.. this is my conclusion any how.

i got prescribed atenolol today.. only to take 25mg daily..

and i'm done with my cycle.. for awhile...

thanks again guys.. i needed the wake up call and doctodd, mod, and radar were especially effective at giving me that... thanks.
 
Decem, get off the shit. At least for now and see a doc, don't drive yourself crazy and have a heart attack. Take care bro.
 
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