Fucking injury mid cycle.. Recommendations?

[Dedication777]

Okay so, I have been hitting legs twice a week hard as fuck because I lack in that area. And today during squatting i felt my knee pop and swell up instantly. The pain is horrid.. But I don't really want to see a doctor.
I have bunions on my feet, so when I squat I try and keep my toes pointed straight witch in return puts a twist on my knee. So I think that was the problem.

Anyways.. What do you guys recommend I do? I'm 8weeks into my 14 week cycle.
If my knee is that bad ill crutch my ass to the gym to lift upper body, but i don't want to be un proportional what should I do???

 

[moya]

sorry to hear this bro...
well, you sure as hell dont want to be confined to a bed during PCT, that is for sure... i would do what you can, WITHOUT causing risk for further injury, whether that means you will or will not be able to do legs at all...
better to have to catch up your legs if you can heal in time for PCT, then to just stop now and run a PCT and not work out...

toes out on squats people, push out and down with the knees/hips...

 

[moya]

also it would probably be a really good idea to see a doc... hope you have insurance man, if the pain is as bad as you make it sound, it could possibly be something that will not heal on its own...

 

[Dedication777]

also it would probably be a really good idea to see a doc... hope you have insurance man, if the pain is as bad as you make it sound, it could possibly be something that will not heal on its own...

Well my bunions restrict "good form" on squat kinda sucks.
And I may see a doctor.. But I might wait a few days to see if the pain increases. But no I dont have insurance, I have a shitty job. Lol
Kinda have no choice

 

[dylangemelli]

if your knee popped and swelled up instantly then you need to see the doctor NOW bro... i think you did some damage there and you are going to probably need an mri on it... you do not want to let something like that go untreated... those don't heal on their own... get to the doctor...

 

[Dedication777]

if your knee popped and swelled up instantly then you need to see the doctor NOW bro... i think you did some damage there and you are going to probably need an mri on it... you do not want to let something like that go untreated... those don't heal on their own... get to the doctor...

I guess I should, I'm just scared of it being worse then I want it to be... I hate doctors

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Agreed. If you heard a loud pop followed by instant swelling and pain you either tore a ligament or tore your meniscus. Even after it swelled did you feel stability in your knee like you could walk without it buckling. If so you may have just torn or crushed your meniscus. Either way DO NOT "wait and see" that could be doing either further damage. Wrap it tight ice it and at the very least get to emer room and let them examine you and do a stability test. And hope its a meniscus tear. 60 day recovery from surgery to full duty if it is. Otherwise you are looking and at MONTHS of rehab and by ignoring it you can even lengthen that process.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Dont be a fuck head bro...get your ass to the doc. a "pop" could be anything. Take it from someone with knee issues. If you have a twist on your knee under heavy load and heard a loud pop it probably isnt good. my guess....you tore something. Usually a pop means a tear. If you felt a major slip feeling when you heard it almost like your leg completely gave out my guess would be meniscus. I have torn two of them.
But it could even be an ACL. There is commonly a popping noise when the ACL tears. Especially with a twist on the knee then putting it under heavy load at a bad angle.
Chances are the xray will show nothing. you will likely need an MRI. I hope you have insurance bro. I would just skip the family doc and go to a sports ortho. Unless you need a referral then see the doc first. But I wouldnt put any stock in a general practicioners diagnosis. ICE ICE ICE bro.... you gotta try and get that swelling down.
I'm not trying to be a doomsayer bro just giving some scenarios.

As for your cycle....press on. if you cant do legs you cant do legs.

 

[Texas Monster]

^^^^^^^^ Well put. Probably an acl or mcl tear. Definitely go see a doc for that.

As far as lifting goes you can definitely get away with lifting just upper body......

However you will need someone there to go get the weights for you because as of now you shouldn't ( or probably cant) put any weight on your knee.

Best of luck to your recovery!!!!! HANG in there Swoldier.

 

[stevesmi]

did you feel numbing?

sounds to me like your tendon blew out, may not be torn (lets hope not) but it could of moved off the bone like a rubber band..... that is a bad break bro. that type of injury is gonna take a while to heal and you may need physical therapy at the very least. you need to rest it for the near future.

don't let a doc prescribe you any cortico's for it. that will only damange you further long term. had the same thing happen to me in my forearm playing football.. unfortunately it still bothers me to this day.

 

[RickRock13]

It sounds like something you at least want to have looked at bro. You definitely don't want to make things worse than they are. Better safe than sorry.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

What Steve said is possible. That would be your best case scenario. If you tore an ACL, MCL, or meniscus you will need surgery. The meniscus isnt a big deal but obviously a ACL reconstruction (which i have to have done soon) is a huge deal.

Constant ice bro, all day, any time you can pull it off. Even an MRI wont be able to see clearly if there is too much swelling and fluid. That happened to me too. You may need some large dose Ibuprofen for a bit to help initially get the swelling down. I hate to suggest that because that shit is awful for you. But in this case it may be beneficial.

Can you bend it at all? How much pressure can you put on it? Can you describe the pain more detailed? can you possibly pinpoint an area moreso than another?

 

[nb01741]

I doubt it was your ACL. ACL's are usually torn while moving sideways (juking in football) or something like that. I tore my left ACL 3 times, and my right one 1ce when I played football. It fuckin sucks but you don't have to get surgery (I got sugery the first 3 times, but not the last time). It's smart to, but you can go without it and still walk fine after a few months and then run eventually (you can even squat just not heavy)... it's just unstable and you can really fuck it up if you play pick up basketball or football where theres a lot of cutting. I guarantee you if it is something torn it's your meniscus. Don't bother with any x rays, get an MRI.

 

[Dedication777]

What Steve said is possible. That would be your best case scenario. If you tore an ACL, MCL, or meniscus you will need surgery. The meniscus isnt a big deal but obviously a ACL reconstruction (which i have to have done soon) is a huge deal.

Constant ice bro, all day, any time you can pull it off. Even an MRI wont be able to see clearly if there is too much swelling and fluid. That happened to me too. You may need some large dose Ibuprofen for a bit to help initially get the swelling down. I hate to suggest that because that shit is awful for you. But in this case it may be beneficial.

Can you bend it at all? How much pressure can you put on it? Can you describe the pain more detailed? can you possibly pinpoint an area moreso than another?

The pain occurs when I bend my knee like (heal to ass) if I bend it toes going up the pain is not as bad, today is day 2 and the swelling is still the same, the pain is still there.. I can walk on It with a limp, but bending my knee in a squatting manor sucks ass and hurts like hell.

I have no insurance so I'll probably have to go to a clinic, but as u all said its a Injury that may need a MRI..

 

[Krazie Apparel]

I would bet my supply of roids and protein powder you tore or crushed your meniscus. If u can walk and your knee isnt unstable i dont think you tore a ligament. But im not a doctor. You need to c one for sure. And you need to ice that bad boy atleast 4 times a day to get the swelling down since you dont have insurance go buy a good brace and work upper body no more legs atleast u have seen a doc. Just my humble opinion.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I would bet my supply of roids and protein powder you tore or crushed your meniscus. If u can walk and your knee isnt unstable i dont think you tore a ligament. But im not a doctor. You need to c one for sure. And you need to ice that bad boy atleast 4 times a day to get the swelling down since you dont have insurance go buy a good brace and work upper body no more legs atleast u have seen a doc. Just my humble opinion.

I considered acl because he said his feet were placing his knees at an akward angle probably causeing some shearing type pressure. But yeah, my money is on a meniscus.

Bro, when you can bend more you will know if its a meniscus. trying to squat ass to heel with no weight with a torn meniscus will cause your knee to slip. It will feel like your whole knee is kicking out of socket. Pretty scary feeling

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Thats true on the acl w the position of his feet. But i would generally except in rare cases acl/mcl tears happen from some sort of violent lateral movement ie legs taken out or a dirty hit or cut block. The only way i cud see it happenning wud b to slip while squating and your legs getting trapped under you and the bar. Didnt seem like he had an accident it was a more too much pressure based injury ie pushing your body to the point of tissue failure. Thats why i went with meni first. But hey we both ended up at the same conclusion. TEAMWORK. Now go see a damn dr and for god sakes ice that bad boy till ur a human popsicle.

 

[Dedication777]

Thats true on the acl w the position of his feet. But i would generally except in rare cases acl/mcl tears happen from some sort of violent lateral movement ie legs taken out or a dirty hit or cut block. The only way i cud see it happenning wud b to slip while squating and your legs getting trapped under you and the bar. Didnt seem like he had an accident it was a more too much pressure based injury ie pushing your body to the point of tissue failure. Thats why i went with meni first. But hey we both ended up at the same conclusion. TEAMWORK. Now go see a damn dr and for god sakes ice that bad boy till ur a human popsicle.

Haha okay guys I'll go attempt to see a doctor and get back to you all.. Let's hope it's none of the above..

 

[stevesmi]

well my dog blew out 2 ligaments in her knee. meniscus and CCL (to a human our ACL).. and that surgery cost me about $4200 so can't imagine how much it would cost for a human. like i said it was a bad break. were you squatting poor form or too heavy?

in the mean time i would keep working your upper body and not give up on lifting. once your leg heals up whether it be 2 weeks or 2 months.. you can go back to working legs.

as for your cycle question that is purely up to you. if you are gonna end up having surgery you might be best off not having any juice in your system so might want to stop now (thats a question to ask your doctor) and I would see a sports specialist, not waste money on a primary physician who is just gonna play around with your knee and send you for x-rays and waste your money.. Xray won't tell you shit.. you need an MRI as has been said and you need a doc who will properly look at your knee .. MRI's cost around 1200 bucks

all the swelling you are experiencing is your own body trying to heal itself, the fact that its that swollen after 2 days means you have at the minimum a severe sprained knee. obviously we can assume its worse than that though unfortunately.

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Not to b a picker but meniscus isnt a ligament. Its a shock absorber between your femur and tibia. The pcl acl and mcl hold those bones and surrounding muscles in place for lateral stabillity also you have a tendon petallar. Holds front together. Also most people dont know this there is a triangular muscle called the popliteus. It can b sprained or torn also which can seem like ligament injury. Mayn times when feel or hear a pop when lateral movement isnt occuring its usuAlly a meni tear or crush. Which happens from too much pressure from ur femur and tibia trying to hold weight. The meniscus buffers this. It can tear or b crushed slightly. Think of it this way walking down stairs is 7 times your body weight in pounds of pressure. Imagine what it is squatting like 250-300 pounds when your leg is fatigued already from alot of leg workouts. Sorry gf is a medical assistant at a sports medicine place and the dr she works for is my dr for my shoulder. Didnt mean to correct u. Just passing on knowledge my friends.

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Also, weird fact since unmentioned dogs. Did you know they actually have an acl in their neck. Rotweillers are suseptable to rupturing it becuz of the size of their head and strength of their neck muscles weird.

 

[stevesmi]

Not to b a picker but meniscus isnt a ligament. Its a shock absorber between your femur and tibia. The pcl acl and mcl hold those bones and surrounding muscles in place for lateral stabillity also you have a tendon petallar. Holds front together. Also most people dont know this there is a triangular muscle called the popliteus. It can b sprained or torn also which can seem like ligament injury. Mayn times when feel or hear a pop when lateral movement isnt occuring its usuAlly a meni tear or crush. Which happens from too much pressure from ur femur and tibia trying to hold weight. The meniscus buffers this. It can tear or b crushed slightly. Think of it this way walking down stairs is 7 times your body weight in pounds of pressure. Imagine what it is squatting like 250-300 pounds when your leg is fatigued already from alot of leg workouts. Sorry gf is a medical assistant at a sports medicine place and the dr she works for is my dr for my shoulder. Didnt mean to correct u. Just passing on knowledge my friends.

good post. so based on your post i guess the OP was fatigued and just over did it and the knee couldn't take it anymore if in fact he did blow it out

scary stuff

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Thank you, no i dont know if he did or didnt. Thats why you need to see a dr asap before the body tries to heal itself. Then u have to deal w scar tissue. Main thing is get the swelling down. I wouldnt say blown out. Now if you tore your acl, mcl and tore meni ya you blew it out. But i dont think thats the case here. He can walk and his leg isnt buckling while walking. I really think he injured meni due to not enuff rest between leg excer and probly too much weight. However bright side is. With a torn meni you can still do everything. It just hurts like hell. Thats why i said ice get swelling down see dr buy a brace and finish your cycle and pct. then if can afford it get it repaired. Meni repairs idk cost but recovery is quick like 60 days and ur squatting but only maybe 2 weeks off ur feet. So u cud use an immobilizer hobble to gym and do upper body even after surg then when cleared build your legs back up. Hey its fall winter coming. Dont worry bout legs u will b wearing jeans just make sure u look like a beast in a thermal right guys? Lol.

 

[goin on 4T]

My ACL replacement w cadavor and cutting out and throwing away most of my minicus cost my insurance company $42k 2 + years ago.
I hate to say this but you might be better off going out of town to get it looked at. Just thinking of your financial future...

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Yep surgery aint cheap. Have to have insurance these days.

 

[Dedication777]

Honestly guys I'm not sure on if it's cuz of bad form or heavy weight.
I honestly think it could be because of my bunions. My feet stance is toes faces out. My big toe over Laps my toe that's right next to it. So basically when I squat I try to point my feet straight to squat with good form. But because my standard feet stance is toes out, I think I put a lot of stress on my knee, heavy weight or not it puts more stress on my knees.

If that make sense, sorry my vocabulary and writing techniques aren't to there best lol.

So ask questions if that doesn't make sense

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Fyi bro I tore my medial meniscus and acl in my left knee 19 years ago. It's just now getting to the point where its becoming a pain in the ass and needs to be fixed soon. I tore my right knee medial meniscus in 09' training at a pro wrestling school but that one was a bigger tear. The torn flap moved and lodged in my knee joint I couldn't breath or twitch an inch of my body without excruciating pain. Literally couldn't walk. Then 2 days later I got up middle of the night to take a piss walked into the bathroom without thinking and realized holy shit..I'm walking..... The flap had come unlodged in my sleep. So while some meniscus tears require immediate surgery some you can likely live with til you decide to get it fixed.